That's amusing. It mirrors the 12/88% split of the
s.Not that I have any idea what meaning you could get from that ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Part four was amazing. Glad this gem is a lot more widespread than I imagined
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Only 12% of the people who replied are true PC Gamers. Everyone else is a hater steam fanboy*That's amusing. It mirrors the 12/88% split of the
Not that I have any idea what meaning you could get from that ¯\(ツ)/¯
*Sponsored by The Tim Sweeney for PC Gaming Saviour Foundation and PCGamer
oh this is just too good!
Isnt Epic on vacations or something like that loloh this is just too good!
love me some trickle-down economics ... because that absolutely 100% of the time works flawlessly
by which i mean - it NEVER fucking works ... not a single goddamn time has it EVER worked
Like Timmy gives a shit about the 30% anyways. Fucker just wants a piece of Valve's pie. It's just so disingenuous and it makes me question the intelligence level of
stans.
no, he doesn't want a piece of volvo's pie ... he wants epic to BE volvo ... as in: he wants to be the ONLY store on PC
he said as much himself
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprise if Cliffy leaving and the almost bomb of original Fortnite (that was in development hell too) spooked him to the point he looked over at Gabe and Valve rolling in the money with (appearance-wise) no game development and thought "looks like a sweet deal". I would bet money that if
is successful, Epic won't make another game, at least "tttrrripppplllleeeee a" quality.
they already aren't ... fortnite isn't even remotely AAA ... Paragon was, fortnite isn't ... in fact - it's actually not a very good game, believe it or notHonestly, I wouldn't be surprise if Cliffy leaving and the almost bomb of original Fortnite (that was in development hell too) spooked him to the point he looked over at Gabe and Valve rolling in the money with (appearance-wise) no game development and thought "looks like a sweet deal". I would bet money that if
Save The World was a COMPLETE flop .... and it's mechanically (building shit, shooting mechanics etc.) identical to the BR mode
fortnite's ONLY saving grace is BR (as in: the mechanics, not the mode) ... once people get sufficiently bored with that - fortnite is DONE
in fact - check out this video:
If ever he wasn't completely up his own ass on this whole EGS business, he's now clearly so all-in he's got a view of the world partially blocked by his own front teeth.
He's also spewing economic theories that only exist in econ1000 textbooks that exclude actual humans in their hypotheticals because the theories fall apart when you do.
... or he knows it's complete bullshit, but continues to lie to people because he knows so many will believe him ... because we live in capitalism and a surprising amount of people actually believe all those lies
My god, the intellectual dishonesty.
- None of the EA, Ubisoft or other platforms are on the same scale as Steam because none of them ever set out to do that. They are first-party launchers by design, intended to get their owners the full amont of the sale. He has no right to use them as a proof of effectiveness regarding competing with Steam on features.
- "Dedicated Steam Gamer". Take a shot.
- "the strategy of exclusives [...] do work, as established by the major publisher storefronts and by the key Epic Games store releases compared to their former Steam revenue projections and their actual console sales.". This reads like a quarterly report covering its ass with absolutely no fact to back up his affirmation that the strategy works. Remember those metro sales number?
- "The 30% store tax usually exceeds the entire profits of the developer who built the game that’s sold. This is a disastrous situation for developers and publishers alike". First, citation needed. Second, then why are studios still flourishing on those evil consoles environments? Y'know, who have only a 70% cut and no steam keys, no access to other storefronts or even the ability to distribute and sell directly? Darn, the situation is dire!
- "the result will be a major wave of reinvestment in game development and a lowering of costs.". Reagan would be proud. Yes, it will all trickle down. Any day now, especially when the ones actually pocketing the change are in majority publishers like Annapurna, Deep Silver and Private Division. Sounds more to me like a B2B-friendly strategy.
- "So I believe this approach passes the test of ultimately benefitting gamers after game storefronts have rebalanced and developers have reinvested more of their fruits of their labor into creation rather than taxation." It doesn't, since it assumes a will from publishers and studios to let that wealth trickle down. In the meantime, shitty launchers and barebones features become the new standard while smaller storefronts are pushed out of business, forcing players to use said shitty platforms and pay superior prices. Players win, clearly!
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yup ... i don't really have anything more to add ... but you hit the nail on the head, absolutely
what is really sad, though, is that SO MANY people actually believe it (or want others to believe it) ... like i saw Adam Boyes retweet that thing saying it's a good thread
and of course i've already seen at least 2 articles about that
and in other news: The gamification of gaming has reached new levels of meta weirdness (points for you if you can tell what they're talking about before clicking the link)
EA and Activision stores are full of exclusive games though
It'll be all Valve's fault, duh.
You can almost imagine the PCGamer editors scrambling around looking for all the shitty hot takes that make non-Epic companies look bad. They'll be running with them for weeks.
Meanwhile: Epic forces all its staff to go on holiday at the same time. This is a good thing, rather than them instilling a culture where they encourage their staff to actually fucking book holidays without fear of reprisals from management. That said, this is a problem endemic in Silicon Valley and Valve does similar.
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It's hilarious how Sweeney keeps pretending to be the savior of the games industry.
Also, no other storefront that tried to force people into using it with exclusivity was successful for non-exclusive games as well. I don't know what he's talking about.
Also, no other storefront that tried to force people into using it with exclusivity was successful for non-exclusive games as well. I don't know what he's talking about.
he's trying to pretend there's absolutely no difference between first-party and third-party exclusives
We are living in a capitalistic market and it's the duty of stock companies is to maximize profit. Tim is right, he is trying his best to improve the situation of stock holders, soulless publishers that are sucking the life out of their employees, himself and his own overlord: Tencent.
And no: Gamers aren't going to benefit from this. Prices are increasing, the free key market around steam is being destroyed, they have less options, using more launchers is inconvenient but most importantly: The extra winnings will be eaten up in bonuses, stock investments and share holder money. It won't lead to extra investments or better work conditions. As already said in this thread: money doesn't flow downwards, unless necessary or forced.
You have to be an idiot to believe in what Tim is saying.
And now excuse me, I have to buy some games: It's steam summer sale after all.
This will never happen. What a daydreamer. lol
Cheeky of him to use the word taxation rather than call it what it is: a service fee. But Valve bad, taxes scary, and paying less taxes good -- right?
He's such a transparent dickhead..
He's such a transparent dickhead..
I never thought a billionaire game developer would seem so fucking naive. Fucking hell. I mean the guy is so completely blind, for example they've completely poisoned the Kickstarter well as so many folks don't trust them or developers to not betray their trust later on. The Shenmue/Phoenix Point debacles have shown this. Brute force just won't work Tim, he talks about 'challenges' well good luck with the challenge of changing people's minds that you're not a complete tit.
For our potential customers' benefit, we're removing choice and forcing them to deal with our company. It's for their own good, even if it goes against their wishes.
Never mind the money we make in the process. #4TheDevs
Also, Reagan called. He said he's proud of Sweeney, and that money will trickle down aaaaaaany minute from now...
You can see it when you look at Epic. Wonder how much of Timmy's money is trickling down to his overworked, exploited employees...
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It is baffling how contradictory his goals and his main strategy are.
Offering the same games as steam, while using your cashflow to subsidize those games would have been enough to demonstrate how much better a 12-88 cut is for gamers. Buy Metro Exodos on Steam for 59.99€, for 41.99€ on key seller sites or for 38.99€ on EGS and know that every penny goes directly to the publisher. Plus offer a free game every month for a year and the EGS would start gaining traction, even with less features.
In other words: Show and don't tell.
It would still be a lie, because he doesn't care about better working conditions or costumer benefits etc. But it would at least fit.
And honestly: I would have no problems with a strategy like that.
Instead it's a lot of meaningless bla bla while demonstrating how bad a world with EGS as a mayor player would be.
Tim isn't naive, he just tries to sell a nicely decorated package full of shit, while being an inapt marketing person. Making a bad decision is normal, most intelligent people are able to see reason and change stuff. Not Tim though, he is trapped in his own glory, a decision made by him must be good. No turning back, it's all in at that point.
The hypocracy has always been there in all his madcap actions and PR going back years. I love how he's setting up a walled garden whilst railing against other walled gardens. lol, jealous of being a little lttp eh? Tinfoil hat time but I wonder what their analysts or strategists have seen on the horizon that has lead to them pushing out EGS far too early?
Fortnite money won't last forever but it's still huge.
Unreal Engine must bring in a ton of revenue.
Then there's pappy Tencent who'll bank roll stuff so Tim doesn't have to use his own pocket-money.
I can't see how Epic are hurting for cash so badly that they have to rush out EGS in the state it's in with the attitude they have. It's curious to me.
Fortnite money won't last forever but it's still huge.
Unreal Engine must bring in a ton of revenue.
Then there's pappy Tencent who'll bank roll stuff so Tim doesn't have to use his own pocket-money.
I can't see how Epic are hurting for cash so badly that they have to rush out EGS in the state it's in with the attitude they have. It's curious to me.
I think they are terrified of investors fleeing the moment profits begin to dip. Once Fortnite's popularity dies off (and it's looking like it's beginning to flag), all Epic has to fall back on is Unreal Engine. And even that isn't as lucrative as it was last generation. Getting into the PC distribution marketplace is their Hail Mary, and if that fails, you better believe the investors are going to drop them like a hot potato.
They could always, you know gasp, eek!, faints develop more games. Imagine a game developer developing more than one game, let alone using IP they already own for it... What a world we live in.
I'm at the point where I don't feel like buying a new Jazz Jackrabbit or Jill of the Jungle from Epic anymore, even if it comes to Steam day one. That bridge is long burned, pissed on and nuked from orbit.
Hahaha fantastic!
But damn, I miss Leslie Nielsen
Btw, another Epic shilling article on PcGamesN, about Epic claiming that these exclusives will "ultimately benefit gamers". And once again, their conclusion is hilarious:
Sweeney’s suggestion that exclusives are working out seems to be met by reports from developers themselves. Earlier this year, Metro Exodus’ developer revealed that as an Epic exclusive, their game had sold more than double what the previous entry managed on Steam.
God damn journalists...
Edit: For some reason, I clicked on the bio of the journalist who wrote the nonsense above. Laugh with me:
Ali rejoices in being the youngest member of the editorial team, and takes pleasure in reminding his elders that some of their favourite games were released before he was even born. In keeping with this youthful demeanor, he plays a LOT of Fortnite, which is preventing him from finally finishing The Witcher 3.
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Fuck, shopping cart fans at the end got me.glorious
although , Steam logo should be on the sleeping guy next to her
Same, I lost it at that point.
Seems that Tim went from annoying to annoying and sad. I mean, EGS hasn't been directly mentioned by Valve once, has it? I can't help but think that those kinda of tweets is him trying to get some form of attention, even if just a 'yeah tim, we know you have a store now' from Gabe. Can't imagine what Tim will be doing in about two, three months if he doesn't get it by then.
nope, not even once ... the closest they ever got was "other stores", i believe
Yo.
This is what folks like Notch looked like on Twitter before they messed around and showed the world how trash they are.
Or he's just desperate to keep this store under attention. He probably saw the sales graph taking a nose dive after Epic's fire sale ended.
On resetera
The steam sale OT is at 33 pages after 2 and a half days
The epic sale OT at 51 after its full two week cour
Got baited into EGS discussion on gaf again (I post to promote VR stuff or other lesser known games like Decay of Logos and such but sometimes I'm baited into more). Some guy gifted me gold over it, lol (should give my paypal instead ) . Seems to me it's the same handful of pro-EGS posters getting trashed with solid arguments they cannot counter every so often, proceeding to ignore it ever happened only to return in full force the next page with the same tired old recycled bullshit that have already been refuted a million times in the past like how this or that customer feature is not important/is actually bad, this or that developer feature is not important either or its existence isn't acknowledged when discussed, it's just another launcher, exclusives are no different if they're paid for or because they went to the better service for the developer and the user (the latter of which benefits the dev too as a service's user is the dev's customer) and so on and so forth. I guess the hope is everybody else gets tired of dealing with it and gives up leaving Tim level crap as the only side of the story told.
) . Seems to me it's the same handful of pro-EGS posters getting trashed with solid arguments they cannot counter every so often, proceeding to ignore it ever happened only to return in full force the next page with the same tired old recycled bullshit that have already been refuted a million times in the past like how this or that customer feature is not important/is actually bad, this or that developer feature is not important either or its existence isn't acknowledged when discussed, it's just another launcher, exclusives are no different if they're paid for or because they went to the better service for the developer and the user (the latter of which benefits the dev too as a service's user is the dev's customer) and so on and so forth. I guess the hope is everybody else gets tired of dealing with it and gives up leaving Tim level crap as the only side of the story told.
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