Nope nope nope.
Indeed!
... and it worked too! there were TONNES of articles about that stupid roadmap ... but only like one or two (if any at all) about them not doing anything they "promised" to have ready in April
methinks the press needs some competition too.
I like to think we are the complete opposite kind of forum. At least I hope since we are so many far leftist here.Is this spiraling in to a GG forum?!
No but seriously the journos seem to tow the same line when it comes to EGS and it's that it's cool and the people who don't like it are whiners. It's frankly stupid.
How about we don't take that road?I like to think we are the complete opposite kind of forum. At least I hope since we are so many far leftist here.
Edit: or to be honest I have no idea what kind of politics people have here.
We'd end up screaming at each other and throwing feces over the fence.
I don't think we're ready to talk about GG.Is this spiraling in to a GG forum?!
No but seriously the journos seem to tow the same line when it comes to EGS and it's that it's cool and the people who don't like it are whiners. It's frankly stupid.
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This is kind of outside the scope of this thread, but there is a fairly cogent argument that while the Epic devs are mistreated, you cannot be a strictly straight “victim” while working for EGS as you signed on to work for a company as collaborators with lootbox “perpetrators.“
Because they want to spin the narrative into a bizarro David Vs Goliath - more like Goliath vs shorter Goliath - story for clicks. You can see it with the entire "finally, someone who can take Valve on!" storyline, this shit is just tabloid writing trying to make this into a WWE feature match.
GG poisoned the well, and that's unfortunate (especially given that GG never cared about the media at all, just the harassment of women, but that's been discussed to death elsewhere), but that doesn't mean we should never complain about the way companies and their actions are portrayed in gaming media. What we shouldn't do is harass anyone over it.
I don't think anyone actually thinks that. Even if they do there's no way they're arguing in good faith, like arguing against being a vegetarian because Hitler was one. Also, and I don't mean this as a defense of whatever GG was, but branding the entire movement as the shitty actions of some members is the "Black Lives Matter are looters" and "Antifa are domestic terrorists" of the gaming sphere; it doesn't mean there weren't some core values still worth fighting for.
I disagree, GG was founded on harassment since day one. It was never about "ethics in gaming journalism". That much is clear when you look at their prime targets: a woman whose sex life (a completely private matter) they discussed to death, another woman who dared talk about feminism and gaming, and men who defended these women and their right to voice their opinions. Also, their actions weren't for the betterment of gaming media, but for the silencing of feminism and female voices (unless they agreed with their hateful rethoric, in which case they used them as shields with the hilariously unironical #NotYourShield hashtag).
Sure, but you understand my point that if you think ethics in journalism/consumer rights/whatever are good things that you should fight for them regardless, yes?
Of course, which is why we're talking about this right here. But I can't shake that icky feeling whenever I think about it, haha.
We'll all look quite the fool when the entire roadmap is cleared in fell swoop on friday. Little did we know they never left that theater after the credits of endgame. Theyve been coding store updates with no outside contact this whole time!
I understand software is hard and to be honest delays are always to be expected. However depending on when those features end up being delivered by Epic, we'll be ready to argue against or for the truthfulness of future announcements.
oh, you can be sure someone is crunching their ass off working on that thing
I'm sure a decent update for the store is coming.. they have to get things in order, including their matchmaking API, for the Borderlands 3 launch. 2k is probably already not very happy that the game is not being sold at the eve of E3, and if Epic botch the launch it will really raise the price of the next exclusive.
Tell me about it. I feel frustrated on this kind of reporting in particular because, as mentioned earlier, I'm an SC backer and it's been the opposite situation for us, Incredible technological breakthroughs, meeting milestones and delivering things that no other game even attempts? Not a peep from the media. Missed date though? Headlines ahoy : troubled development, mismanagement, yet another deadline missed and other thinly-veiled attacks on the character of the people making the game.
i can only feel bad for the actual devs having to do that shit ASAP ... probably working 16h days just to have it ready before the end of the sale
at this point - yeah, pretty much ... they might as well rebrand
PC Gamer was one of the few major gaming related sites that didn't report about the majority of revenue for Metro Exodus being on consoles. It's obvious that Epic being their biggest sponsor and advertiser has a significant impact on their site and opinion pieces. There are also a handful of people shilling for Epic in the comments, and several people criticizing EGS have been banned (myself included). They went from my favorite PC publication to a site that I ignore as hard as IGN and Polygon.
I wonder if this is just an excuse from Ubisoft to pull out of Epic's sales? Last thing they need is people preferring EGS over uPlay for their 1st party games. Technical issues with the link between EGS and Ubisoft would have been fixed by now, considering how basic that link is.
And you still have people claiming that this is normal advertisment and that there is no evidence of EPIC having any influence on the site(s).
Some people are also claiming that Epic is offering healthy competition to Steam, so I'm not surprised ^^
This happens with me all the time when reading PR about Epic's Store tbh.
That's quite the way of saying 1 year EGS exclusivity. Well, I guess that's another game on the pile of games to try and remember next year
Ah, Human Head really, and I do mean really, want me to think twice about my refund request.This is hilarious.
As you may have heard, Human Head decided to go for EGS exclusivity, and announced it by releasing a video and promoting things on social media, while not even bothering to send an email to those who pre-ordered the game months ago (in my case, it was last August) until many hours later, when people started complaining.
Not only they didn't make the link for refunds very clear on previous communications (there wasn't one that I could find on their email; I had to follow a link on youtube!), but now they are emailing their customers, trying to dissuade them from asking for a refund.
Here's the email I just received.
Greetings Warriors!
We understand that pre-order supporters were promised a Steam key for their pre-order purchase. To that end, we are offering every person that has pre-ordered RUNE II before 05/22/19 an additional Steam key containing all pre-order incentives, to be delivered when we launch on Steam in Summer 2020.
In summary, all RUNE II pre-order purchasers will receive:
As Chris Rhinehart said in our Q&A video, we still firmly believe that Epic Games is the correct partner for us to align with. That said, we want to do right for the community that has supported Human Head Studios in the past 20 years. If you would still like a refund, you can submit that request up until 6/5/19 at: RUNE II Refund Form
- An Epic Games store key (1) with all of their pre-order incentives. (Summer 2019)
- BONUS! An Epic Games store key (1) with the standard edition of RUNE II (Summer 2019)
- NEW BONUS! A Steam key (1) with all of pre-order incentives (Estimated: Summer 2020)
Through your comments, tweets, Discord messages, and more, we’ve heard you loud and clear. We will constantly strive to improve the way that we communicate about these types of matters in the future.
Thank You,
The RUNE II Development Team
Clearly, the reaction to the news was overwhelmingly positive indeed.
Needless to say, I have asked for a refund, and I'm not changing my mind.
sounds kinda desperate
It really does.
you know what they say: "ask for forgiveness, not permission"
Two things:Ah, Human Head really, and I do mean really, want me to think twice about my refund request.
Here's a new email I received:
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We've received your request for a refund of Rune II. If you would still like to receive the refund, there's no need to do anything further.
But as your request came in before we announced our decision to give a Steam key to those who pre-ordered before May 22, we want to give you the chance to retain the pre-order along with the pre-order incentives. (The different tiers: http://bit.ly/runepreorderbonus)
The feedback from you and other fans was clear. You thought you were getting a Steam key when you pre-ordered and we want you to have it. Reply to this email before May 30, 2019, to stop the refund and a Steam key will be delivered when we launch on Steam in Summer 2020.
Many thanks,
Amethyst Begley
Producer
Human Head Studios
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How great are they?
I mean, after paying for the game 9+ months ago, getting the silent treatment for several months, and then receiving the wonderful announcement that I'm not getting what I expected, and was listed to receive, when I placed my pre-order, they are now being awesome enough to give me the chance to stop my refund request!
Really, A+ for customer service.
I mean, honestly, I would rather had received my fricking refund in quick and painless fashion, instead of getting a message saying refunds will take up to 6 weeks, and now a new one showing they aren't even processing anything until the 30th, at the very earliest. But I guess you can't have everything.
Yep. It's not "customers thought they were getting a Steam key" so much as "you fucking told them they would get a Steam key yourself". Devs spinning things around to somehow blame the customers for not wanting to swallow their shitty unilaterally changed deals is a sight to see.
