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Yeah I woulda been down to crowdfund for the first time of my life, but they went with Fig and I was like, "TF is 'fig'?"
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Yeah I woulda been down to crowdfund for the first time of my life, but they went with Fig and I was like, "TF is 'fig'?"
Not surprising. But no doubt the lack of a shopping cart also leads to more impulse buys. Personally I think it's a non-issue that's just used as a trojan horse for complaining by those who dislike Epic.
also from the same thread
Free game inflation be like
tbh i kinda expected better excuse ... this is just sad (well not sad , more like hilarious ,,.. i am not sure ...maybe both)
, especially the mention of "custom features" like cupouns , regionals and discounts
i dont follow this logit tbh .... how does having to buy each thing separately leads to more impulse buys? isnt that the other way around .... imagine having to buy DLCs for a fighting game all separately
I can only speak for myself but it's common for me to load up my cart with Steam games during sale time, just to later remove half of them when I go to check out.
sure but would you get to that point if you had to checkout each title separately? ... speaking of myself i would think over each title more and ultimately just get much less
also from the same thread
The comparison is kinda silly. Valve built the market, and EGS reaching 17% of PC users is fine and all, but it's more a testament to what Valve had accomplished with Steam so that Epic was able to do it too. Epic didn't have to basically invent it first.
Pretty sure any competent web developer could shit out a shopping cart in one evening. Or just buy a packaged solution.
But can they make it support COUPONS?
(Epic's backend does already have support for cart tho. And months ago i did a poc purchase and it works actually)
Someone claimed Superdata data is from credit card purchases from Us banks, and unlike epic, Valve supports other payment methods.
I wonder if it's accurate at all.
Wasn't this supposed to be For the King? Hell its EGS Store page is also gone.
Really don't want to be the one who defends Sweeney, but that's a big nnnnnope!
Both building a shopping cart from scratch or buying a prebuilt solution would take weeks if not months.
If anything, those tweets clearly show how Epic is not really investing in the store at all, if they don't even have a single engineer to spare to work on a core feature...
So much for Valve's monopoly, huh?also from the same thread
I was being facetious ;p surely a company as big as Epic could afford to do it quickly, it is such an essential thing
Pretty sure Epic already has/had all of this coded for their Unreal Marketplace, so I don't why they can't use that code for use in their store back end.
There is no excuse, and those tweets are bullshit.
Sure a cart might not be top priority if you have to do it from scratch, but not when you already have one created in your ecosystem
Surely a cart is a priority when they are having these sales. I usually buy 4-5 games in each Steam sale but if i had to do each one individually i might not bother. It makes no sense in 2020 to have a digital shop selling multiple items and not have a shopping cart.
also from the same thread
- allegedly
- only US Data, not worldwide
- from a store that only (mostly) supports US-centric payment methods that are not used by 50 to 99% of customers in the rest of the world.
And Bonus:
* when Steamspy was nearly accurate, we had people proclaiming sales data was inflated and worthless because the game could be gotten for free for 2 days despite the game being out for 5 years.
You´re not defending him, but you do bring up an important point in related to ´managing' an online store, which is pretty clear in your final paragraph.
give or take week or two including testing of those superspecial feats like discounts , cupounts and regional (months is bit of a overkill) ... especially with already having it build in UE marketpace
The EGS is now 13 months old.
They should've applied the cart months ago.
They should've applied the cart months ago.
In German, besides game prices in general the Everspace 1/2 dev also talks about Epic and is basically reiterating all our talking points. Including their Kickstarter getting hurt by a severe loss of trust and (mostly) everyone agreeing that there's more to developing games than moneybags and those deals having repercussions.
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I need to watch more of them, they're always extremely interesting.
And as you say, the Everspace dev is basically most of us, haha.
Also interesting, because I didn't know this yet, is that the Epic deal is not a 1-time upfront payment, but a monthly guarantee.
i need to know more
could either be different offers to different studios or just a means to pay out a one year contract monthly instead of fully at the start.
We know the amount that the Control Publisher got, either they had a different contract, they stated a full year guarantee that will be paid out in one quarter, or they got 4 times more than we thought they did.
A monthly payout could even be worse financially if the payout is dependent on the previous month's performance. Especially if the opening negotiation was about the predicted sales on Steam (like he said on the video). If you say that you are predicting 10,000 sales in the first month and only sell 1,000 units, why should Epic pay another 11 months with the predicted numbers from the dev who only could sell 10% in the first month?
We know the amount that the Control Publisher got, either they had a different contract, they stated a full year guarantee that will be paid out in one quarter, or they got 4 times more than we thought they did.
A monthly payout could even be worse financially if the payout is dependent on the previous month's performance. Especially if the opening negotiation was about the predicted sales on Steam (like he said on the video). If you say that you are predicting 10,000 sales in the first month and only sell 1,000 units, why should Epic pay another 11 months with the predicted numbers from the dev who only could sell 10% in the first month?
If this was even remotely close to being either measurably or intuitively true, you would have 1 item maximum purchase quick buy counters at every major supermarket on the planet to maximise impulse buys.
#makeyourownshoppingcart
I doubt same rules applies to physical and digital stores.
But shopping cart abandonment is a real thing. Having less steps helps. But does actually not having? Well, technically you can't abandon it if it doesn't exist but
I doubt same rules applies to physical and digital stores.
But shopping cart abandonment is a real thing. Having less steps helps. But does actually not having? Well, technically you can't abandon it if it doesn't exist but
I saw Horace get a good few mentions and videos and still see it mentioned time to time but yeah, i don't think it hit 'mainstream' gaming media that hard unfortunately.
oooh one of the few rare times ... when epic freebie wasnt bundled to oblivion before going free there
Oxygen Not Included was removed from the Epic Store
https://www.epicgames.com/store/pt-BR/product/oxygen-not-included/home
Anyone know why? I can't find anything about it.
https://www.epicgames.com/store/pt-BR/product/oxygen-not-included/home
Anyone know why? I can't find anything about it.
Took a month for anyone else to even notice, must have been a big traffic page.
The reasoning for that person's intent to purchase the game on EGS is interesting (because it mirrors mine for a different game in a way).
There are many games where the regional pricing is way better on EGS than Steam, but that's not because the dev/pub set the price, but in fact, because Galyonkin sets prices there manually. So for instance, Jedi Fallen Order is US$14.99 on EGS in Argentina, vs US$45 on Steam in the same region. I highly doubt that EA decided to be good guys and set the price to that on EGS (they don't even have regional pricing on Origin since people from US/wealthy EU countries abused it and bragged openly about it years ago).
So there are situations where people end up buying games on EGS thanks to Epic setting way lower prices than what the publisher wanted to set their game at. Of course this has a lot to do with publishers not understanding regional pricing and setting unrealistic prices in regions that can't afford them, but Epic is using that to their advantage since they control the prices they set on their store (at the very least until the affected publishers reach out to them and ask to change the prices).
I found that whole thing funny, since even before EGS was a thing we had Polygon attacking Steam with all sorts of stupid stuff, and saying that regional pricing equals "forced discounts" (when in fact, developers can choose to ignore Valve's suggestions, as all the big asshole pubs are doing now).
The funnier part of all of that is that Epic is the one putting the price of the stuff instead of the developer, and Epic has had a surprising tendency to actually use proper regional pricing instead of the bs some developers do, and then later on correcting when the publisher tells them to put the "good" ones (aka, the ones that fuck over the consumer). This has happened with RDR2, with Death Stranding, and is currently a thing in Jedi Fallen Order, for instance.The reasoning for that person's intent to purchase the game on EGS is interesting (because it mirrors mine for a different game in a way).
There are many games where the regional pricing is way better on EGS than Steam, but that's not because the dev/pub set the price, but in fact, because Galyonkin sets prices there manually. So for instance, Jedi Fallen Order is US$14.99 on EGS in Argentina, vs US$45 on Steam in the same region. I highly doubt that EA decided to be good guys and set the price to that on EGS (they don't even have regional pricing on Origin since people from US/wealthy EU countries abused it and bragged openly about it years ago).
So there are situations where people end up buying games on EGS thanks to Epic setting way lower prices than what the publisher wanted to set their game at. Of course this has a lot to do with publishers not understanding regional pricing and setting unrealistic prices in regions that can't afford them, but Epic is using that to their advantage since they control the prices they set on their store (at the very least until the affected publishers reach out to them and ask to change the prices).
I found that whole thing funny, since even before EGS was a thing we had Polygon attacking Steam with all sorts of stupid stuff, and saying that regional pricing equals "forced discounts" (when in fact, developers can choose to ignore Valve's suggestions, as all the big asshole pubs are doing now).
Now, that is "compulsory discount"
(but fuck the publishers / devs who fuck up the recommendations).
The funnier part of all of that is that Epic is the one putting the price of the stuff instead of the developer, and Epic has had a surprising tendency to actually use proper regional pricing instead of the bs some developers do, and then later on correcting when the publisher tells them to put the "good" ones (aka, the ones that fuck over the consumer). This has happened with RDR2, with Death Stranding, and is currently a thing in Jedi Fallen Order, for instance.
Now, that is "compulsory discount"
That's because Epic is just copying Valve's recommended pricing. It's not hard to put up good pricing if someone else has already done the work for you
And considering that the store didn't even launch with regional pricing (was only added after lots of people complained, even though Galyonkin knows very well how useful it is on lower income regions), I REALLY doubt Epic's doing it out of the goodness of their heart. It's just a great way of getting people from poorer regions to buy stuff on their store.
Epic is trying they hardest to conquer the market here in Brazil, even going as far as to sell in BRL, but they failed to studie us enogh, people here as extreme loyalist and the only reason Steam menage to curb piracy here was because CS was and is huge even among the youngest.
We have two general audiences for games, the PC folk and the ones who plays FIFA on consoles, PC folk like me who buys a lot of games are already set on Steam, Origin and 3rd party key sellers, the rest of the PC folk only plays F2P games and, even so, Fortnite never made a dent here, and the people claiming the free games, as far as I can tell, is people who would not buy games anyway.
We have two general audiences for games, the PC folk and the ones who plays FIFA on consoles, PC folk like me who buys a lot of games are already set on Steam, Origin and 3rd party key sellers, the rest of the PC folk only plays F2P games and, even so, Fortnite never made a dent here, and the people claiming the free games, as far as I can tell, is people who would not buy games anyway.
I will have to doubt you on that Tio. Every now and then I open a gaming site / forum (GV, OS, TG, random posts on /r/Brasil, etc) and my impression from those places is that plenty people are okay using Epic, especially after this sale thanks to Ubi games, BL3 and Control. I'm not sure about Fortnite or the free games, but Epic got more people since the BRL implementation that I expected.
I might be looking at the wrong places tho.
There always will be the people who don't care, thats why I was generalizing, gladly those site/forums are not representative of the whole, and the majority of people doesn't partake in discussion on open forums, said that, I must disclose that this is all my point of view and my interactions with other brazilians online.
Well, can't say I have talked to many Brazilians that mainly play on PC lately, so there's that. Sorry if my previous answer sounded a bit on the rude side, I ended miswording it.
Anyway, without deviating much from the talk of EGS outside NA and EU countries, I can't shake this impression that they are doing somewhat well, especially thanks to their cupons. From what I observed, Ubi games are mentioned a lot for people who buys on EGS, now Jedi looks like another game many people are picking there due to the shitty regional pricing elsewhere.
As Kurt said, Galyonkin knows what he's doing and I just wonder what Epic has made to keep JFO price since I'm pretty sure EA would have noticed by now.
Epic likely eating part of the cost in order to keep the price at that level. EA isnt going to be altruistic about it
Maybe EA didn't look too closely at the numbers. After all, I doubt their games sell too hot here with their shitty regional pricing (or lack of regional pricing altogether when it comes to Origin). So maybe they got the check, thought it's business as usual and didn't inquire about it at all. For instance, when whoever handles distribution of Death Stranding on PC saw that the regional pricing was far cheaper on EGS, they got it changed (because there was a hubbub online). I assume that since there hasn't been much talk about Fallen Order's price, EA doesn't know what's up yet.