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Ok so peeps who have played Yakuza 5...
I'm in the Finale. This game really feels like its dragging. Thankfully the story is FUCKING FINALLY picking up.

This has got to be one of the bottom Yakuza games right? Maybe this and Y3 compete for last? I haven't played 6, but there's no way its this boring for long stretches. Even Yakuza 4 was more interesting with the multiple protagonists. I think I'm definitely going to take a break before playing 6 cause I'm clearly burning out of these games, but 5 has gotta be bottom tier right?
 
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Ok so peeps who have played Yakuza 5...
I'm in the Finale. This game really feels like its dragging. Thankfully the story is FUCKING FINALLY picking up.

This has got to be one of the bottom Yakuza games right? Maybe this and Y3 compete for last? I haven't played 6, but there's no way its this boring for long stretches. Even Yakuza 4 was more interesting with the multiple protagonists. I think I'm definitely going to take a break before playing 6 cause I'm clearly burning out of these games, but 5 has gotta be bottom tier right?
Y5 is divisive. I particularly loved both it and 3, with my least favorites being the first game and 4. Anyway, it's not uncommon to find people that dislike 5 either for its plot or for the amount of content.

Don't worry thought, Yakuza 6 is much, much shorter than it, much more focused too.
 
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texhnolyze

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I SWEAR!

this is the only reason why I want to learn how to shift my account to Japan, in order to get 3 region-locked games :crying-face:
Honestly, I think this is all we've ever got for ports of these games. It's been more than a year and there's no news yet on SRW T PC port. And earlier this year, they only released G Generation Genesis for Switch and no PC. We probably failed them in term of sales.
 
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Honestly, I think this is all we've ever got for ports of these games. It's been more than a year and there's no news yet on SRW T PC port. And earlier this year, they only released G Generation Genesis for Switch and no PC. We probably failed them in term of sales.
I'm wondering why they would fail. :upside-down-face:

OH YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WON'T LET NON-ASIA FOLKS BUY THEM DUE TO THE STUPID COPYRIGHT SHIT.
Seriously, they only have themselves to blame in this case, same goes to Idolmaster
 

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I'm curious about what will accompany the headliners, since these got announced already and I'm definitely grabbing it :blobeyes:
One of these in my opinion:
  • by Humble, either Ikenfell or Ring of Pain
  • by No More Robots, either Hypnospace Outlaw or Nowhere Prophet.





Then my usual guesses of GamePass games, with the most likely additions being:




 
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texhnolyze

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I'm wondering why they would fail. :upside-down-face:

OH YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WON'T LET NON-ASIA FOLKS BUY THEM DUE TO THE STUPID COPYRIGHT SHIT.
Seriously, they only have themselves to blame in this case, same goes to Idolmaster
But they also do that for console versions of a lot of these games, they only release the English version in Asia, and yet they're still successful enough to warrant another localization and/or port. I guess consoles have at least physical copies so that people can import from Asia, which is not possible for PC version.
 
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But they also do that for console versions of a lot of these games, they only release the English version in Asia, and yet they're still successful enough to warrant another localization and/or port. I guess consoles have at least physical copies so that people can import from Asia, which is not possible for PC version.
You can easily buy the console versions, no matter if you're in Asia, or EU or USA. Just a quick make a new account, add a top-up card and you're good to go.
You can't buy Steam version unless your are in Asia. You can't make a separate Asia account. You can't have a friend you have in Asia gift you the game. They only way to play these two on PC for 95% of Steam userbase is ☠
Simple as that.
 

Alexandros

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Yeah, it would almost certainly kill GMG, CDKeys, the Humble store etc.
I don't see how they could maintain a viable business model.
And since basically no publisher would actually decrease the market prices of games due to the smaller cut that means more expensive games in practice (if you use third party sites).

That said, I think Valve would probably operate at a loss at 12%, so it's exceedingly unlikely to happen.
I wish there was a way to know or accurately estimate what kind of cut is needed in order to pay all expenses and maintain a healthy profit margin. Based on the fact that Epic and Microsoft are pretty cutthroat I am guessing that 12% is the absolute minimum, with razor-thin margins or even straight-up losses. Maybe we'll get more information from data revealed during the various court cases.

Personally I don't care about Valve's profits at all, God knows they are printing money and they will continue to print money for the foreseeable future. What I do care about is the quality of service I receive with my purchase. I see the kind of effort and investment Epic puts into its service's development with its 12% cut and I get worried. All non-Valve services are awful, even those with a 30% cut. I shudder to think what kind of derelict pieces of shit they will be with a reduced one.
 

Mor

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But they also do that for console versions of a lot of these games, they only release the English version in Asia, and yet they're still successful enough to warrant another localization and/or port. I guess consoles have at least physical copies so that people can import from Asia, which is not possible for PC version.
It is exactly that, Consoles are region lock free, you can import them from Asia and call the day, however, if I want to play on PC is either pirated version or doing something that goes against Steam's terms of use, so yeah, we stuck here.
 
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Nabs

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Humble switching to Tuesday has really broken my brain. I keep thinking Friday is the new day.

Considering how meh the remaining games were this month, I don't have high hopes for this next one. They probably spent it all on Metro and Darksiders. I'm expecting Ring of Pain as the Humble published game. Carto soon. Ikenfell once the Gamepass deal runs out? Humble is running out of Humble Published games.

It definitely seems like Publisher Modus is out here making as many deals as they can. Steam Publisher: Modus Games I could totally see Ary happening.

I suspect Going Under will eventually happen. Team17 isn't afraid of putting games in bundles/subs. Maybe not this soon.

I hope we get Neo Cab, but I'm not holding my breath because it was in a recent bundle. Humble did accidentally advertise Paradise Killer (another Fellow Travelers game) in that Neo Cab bundle. That game is more popular and newer, but I wouldn't be mad if that made it over (it won't).

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For the love of god I want to play Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance on PC, but that game is region-locked here. And I don't want to use any risky means to get over the lock.

Same applies to Castlevania Lord of Shadow 1 and 2, Prototype 2 and a few other games.
Aw. Those are some good games. So is there no way to buy them off 3rd party stores and play them anyway?
 

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Personally I don't care about Valve's profits at all, God knows they are printing money and they will continue to print money for the foreseeable future. What I do care about is the quality of service I receive with my purchase. I see the kind of effort and investment Epic puts into its service's development with its 12% cut and I get worried. All non-Valve services are awful, even those with a 30% cut. I shudder to think what kind of derelict pieces of shit they will be with a reduced one.
This is just straight up Valve has the worlds best pie and they want slices of it to sell out of their car boot without getting the ingredients, making it without a recipe, learning to cook it, presenting it on a display stand and making peoples mouth water so hard that they want to pay for it.

Learn to cook dickheads.
 

Nabs

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Humble needs to rebrand. This no slider bullshit has ruined what was once a decent site. They're pushing that Stop AAPI Hate charity, but only give them 5% while taking 45% for themselves. Get the hell out of here with that.
 

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For the love of god I want to play Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance on PC, but that game is region-locked here. And I don't want to use any risky means to get over the lock.

Same applies to Castlevania Lord of Shadow 1 and 2, Prototype 2 and a few other games.
So you straight up can't buy or unlock the game in your region? Are you in Japan, by any chance? I have heard of JP developers locking games from Steam in their own country for some strange reason.
 
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So you straight up can't buy or unlock the game in your region? Are you in Japan, by any chance? I have heard of JP developers locking games from Steam in their own country for some strange reason.
MGR is never available in here too, probably affecting a lot of Asian countries. I'm not sure about activating keys from outside of our region, I don't want to risk it.
 
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Mor

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Well, this should be an interesting month in terms of exclusivity endings.

From this list (which is a watchlist to keep track of any change)


Confirmed: Saints Row, Before We Leave, Huntdown, Mechwarrior, snowrunner.
Not confirmed but potential: Industries of Titan (they uploaded new assets not so long ago)
Not on this list but potential ending of exclusivity: Tetris Effect.

That's 5 confirmed games and 2 potential ones in just one month, damn! :evilblob:
 

Mor

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Well, the package exists and it's public so yeah, it's on the list even tho if Ubi comes back they will probably use a different app package.
 

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Well, this should be an interesting month in terms of exclusivity endings.

From this list (which is a watchlist to keep track of any change)


Confirmed: Saints Row, Before We Leave, Huntdown, Mechwarrior, snowrunner.
Not confirmed but potential: Industries of Titan (they uploaded new assets not so long ago)
Not on this list but potential ending of exclusivity: Tetris Effect.

That's 5 confirmed games and 2 potential ones in just one month, damn! :evilblob:
Maneater Switch release is May 25th, about one year after the EGS one. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. I'm looking at an EGS Exclusive list and I'm finding I just don't care about 99% of these games.
 

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Humble needs to rebrand. This no slider bullshit has ruined what was once a decent site. They're pushing that Stop AAPI Hate charity, but only give them 5% while taking 45% for themselves. Get the hell out of here with that.
I agree, "humble" doesn't fit well as a descriptor any more.
I have some proposals for new names:
Arrogant Indie Bundle
IGNoble Indie Bundle
Proudly "taking way over 30% cut" Bundle
 

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Well, this should be an interesting month in terms of exclusivity endings.

From this list (which is a watchlist to keep track of any change)
Phantom Brigade and Industries of Titan are supposed to be the good ones from the list right?
 

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For the love of god I want to play Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance on PC, but that game is region-locked here. And I don't want to use any risky means to get over the lock.

Same applies to Castlevania Lord of Shadow 1 and 2, Prototype 2 and a few other games.
From my understanding, konami game's keys are region free.
JaseC might be able.to clarify further.
 
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Mor

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Phantom Brigade and Industries of Titan are supposed to be the good ones from the list right?
Absolutely, don't know that much about Industries but Phantom Brigade is like After Effects mixed with Front mission, it's quite something :blobeyes:
 
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I know from tweets from the devs that the Steam version of both Orcs Must Die 3 and Industries of Titan are being worked and and both are in their final stretches.
 
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Aw. Those are some good games. So is there no way to buy them off 3rd party stores and play them anyway?
So you straight up can't buy or unlock the game in your region? Are you in Japan, by any chance? I have heard of JP developers locking games from Steam in their own country for some strange reason.
From my understanding, konami game's keys are region free.
JaseC might be able.to clarify further.
I am in Asia, and some Konami releases (including indies) are not available here. I checked before and Bamco specifically locked a few games like Tales of (excluding Vesperia and Arise) and Kakarot out of Japan. Pirate Warriors from Koei Tecmo also can't be bought in Japan. Really don't understand the reasons behind these policy. Maybe licensing, maybe contractual terms with first party. We will never know.

Btw, I have tried a MGR key before. It didn't unlock. Maybe through a VPN but that's scary. At least I have played it before on the 360.
Phantom Brigade and Industries of Titan are supposed to be the good ones from the list right?
I also heard Switch folks are very positive towards Huntdown. Reviews of Mortal Shell are also not too bad.
 
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I guess no Just Cause 4 in a Choice for a while.
 

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Absolutely, don't know that much about Industries but Phantom Brigade is like After Effects mixed with Front mission, it's quite something :blobeyes:
And the devs were quite nice at that. I had the chance to meet them at Bitsummit and the game was quite impressive.
 
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I wish there was a way to know or accurately estimate what kind of cut is needed in order to pay all expenses and maintain a healthy profit margin. Based on the fact that Epic and Microsoft are pretty cutthroat I am guessing that 12% is the absolute minimum, with razor-thin margins or even straight-up losses. Maybe we'll get more information from data revealed during the various court cases.

Personally I don't care about Valve's profits at all, God knows they are printing money and they will continue to print money for the foreseeable future. What I do care about is the quality of service I receive with my purchase. I see the kind of effort and investment Epic puts into its service's development with its 12% cut and I get worried. All non-Valve services are awful, even those with a 30% cut. I shudder to think what kind of derelict pieces of shit they will be with a reduced one.
With the wallet cash cards business costing them a retail cut of 10 to 15%, I can't think they can go lower than 15. Wallet cards are big in emergent markets.
So if they are "strong-armed into giving a 12% cut, they would either need to cut some avenues (I can't see them foregoing Wallet cash cards, too big a market)

The 3rd party key market would fall really fast by two factors, too low margins with 12% and Valve cutting the free key generation as their first reaction.


Here is what "asshole/villain" Valve could do if they are strong-armed into giving 12%

In this scenario, I will theorize that Valve doesn't make the 12% cut globally but offers it to its partners. (A legal loophole to not get sued for monopolistic behavior. This "Offer" is not different than an exclusive agreement by other companies.
1. 12% cut
2. The agreement lasts 1 to 2 years, after that it goes back to 30% (with the current 25% and 20% revenue targets)
3. The game has to be available for at least 5 years after the agreement ends (so that the devs/pubs don't just pull the game afterward)
4. No free keys
5. The game can't be sold at stores that take more than 12%. This INCLUDES Consoles and mobile. (The whole number 5 would be clusterfuck, but hey it's an exclusive agreement :shrugblob: )
6. CDN and download costs above a certain threshold will be billed to the dev/pub
7. payment processing fees above a certain threshold will be billed to the dev/pub
8. If point 3 or 5 are broken, the dev/pub must repay the difference to the normal 30% cut
9. All steam API's and connections are free as always (to not fuck the customer)
 
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Li Kao

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Meh, once I remembered that there is a big chance Remnant is base game only, my hype was in freefall.
DQB2, though. That's quite something given the awful pricing strategy of Squenix.
 

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The modding scene for Just Cause 2 was insane. My favourite that i remember was changing grenades to have different explosion types like Satellite Burst or Nuke. Just Cause 2 is great if you pop it on easy so you have time to set up mad traps, the AI is just too aggressive for fun otherwise, and just go around causing havoc and exploring. Brain dead sure but so much fun when i need to just get away from things.
 
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Y5 is divisive. I particularly loved both it and 3, with my least favorites being the first game and 4. Anyway, it's not uncommon to find people that dislike 5 either for its plot or for the amount of content.

Don't worry thought, Yakuza 6 is much, much shorter than it, much more focused too.
I dunno, I really like the game though it's true that it's a bit too long.
 

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Speaking of Just Cause, I am replaying JC2 on PC lately and it is still one beautiful game. Gameplay is very repetitive and brain-dead, but it is one of the most satisfying games so there.
Too bad some enemies are a bit bullet-spongey and you need to constantly top up your ammo supply.
 
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