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kio

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I mean games that arent cRPGs but still in the same universe? Like those hack and slash console games. That which I thought D&D was the term but if people are using D&D to mean the ruleset or type of game then I don't know what the umbrella term is for all the games that are in the official D&D universe?
D&D is the ruleset. Period. There's no other definition.
I remember one old Baldur's Gate game, I believe it was Dark Alliance or something like that, that was set in the same universe (Forgotten Realms), so my take on this subject is "Game X is set on the same universe as game Y". Doesn't matter if X uses one ruleset and Y another. They are usually spin-offs.
 

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It's just marketing, they want your money before March 2021 :p Jokes aside, I am sure the games will be sold separately at a higher price than in this pack.
I have a feeling of not giving my money to them if they don't drop this bullshit

Why can't they release games like normal companies🤣
 
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I would say that they are within the Forgotten Realms if I'm not mistaken. That's the name of their shared universe.

Also by no means am I saying PF is the same as D&D 5, it very much isn't. But it is very strongly D&D in a general, historical sense with its 3.5 ruleset roots.
I understand what you're saying but my only issue is the "in general" part. Can we also say that every fantasy world and story ever written is similar to what Tolkien wrote? Every high fantasy story seems to have elfs and goblins and druids like what he wrote...
It's obvious the first work will influence the ones that follow but after the initial inception phase the ones that stand out as new things, and not just copies of the old original one, will branch out and develop a new identity. That's what happened with pathfinder. It's not correct to treat it as something that "in general" is like D&D, despite having some similarities in names and descriptions it is mechanically and functionally a completely different ruleset.
 
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D&D is the ruleset. Period. There's no other definition.
And yet there's a game called "Dungeons & Dragons: Dark Alliance" that will be a real-time, action game. Not much to do with the D&D ruleset.
 

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What D&D music, animations, models and assets does it use

I think you might misunderstand how important a rule set is for a Pen and Paper game. It is even more important than the story or world scenario.
Because It defines how players interact with the world through their dungeon master.

If you want to steal an apple in let's say D&D 3.5 edition Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun or Pathfinder you'll have to follow the exact same steps, use the same dice throws, resulting numbers would mean the same thing.

Want to hit something in Pathfinder and Forgotten Realms? Same exact steps, same exact attributes, same exact chances and stats for weapons.

Magic Missile Spell? It's not just using the same name, it also works exactly the same.

A cleric is exactly the same class in Pathfinder and D&D Forgotten Realms; stats, spells, the way spells work and what they do, the way you level up, even the morality system is identical.

I could make this list endless.

Point is and why I'm using game music, animations, weapon physics and assets as an example is because they define as much of a video game as the story.
Pen and Paper rule sets are the equivalent of that. They are incredibly important to the experience of a P&P game, even more defining than the scenario.

Cyberpunk and Shadow Run have a similar settings. Hell, they even both have a class that is called Street Samurai. But they play differently. This is your Gears vs. Kill.switch comparison.

But P&P games that use the exact same laws, are practically the same thing. Just in other scenarios,
 
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I understand what you're saying but my only issue is the "in general" part. Can we also say that every fantasy world and story ever written is similar to what Tolkien wrote? Every high fantasy story seems to have elfs and goblins and druids like what he wrote...
It's obvious the first work will influence the ones that follow but after the initial inception phase the ones that stand out as new things, and not just copies of the old original one, will branch out and develop a new identity. That's what happened with pathfinder. It's not correct to treat it as something that "in general" is like D&D, despite having some similarities in names and descriptions it is mechanically and functionally a completely different ruleset.
I completely get your point. In the end, that's why I'm not really attached to a strict or rigorous definition of D&D :).

It's kind of reminiscent about the discussions surrounding Linux, BSD and others.
 

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And yet there's a game called "Dungeons & Dragons: Dark Alliance" that will be a real-time, action game. Not much to do with the D&D ruleset.
I admit that I didn't know about this game and it's stupid name. I could try to frame that D&D is a game with a ruleset and in our current context when we mention D&D we are talking about the latter rather than the former, and that Dungeons & Dragons is a multitude of universes and stories (Forgotten Realms, Planescape, etc) that all follow the rules set in the rulebook, yet I think the explanation is much simpler - Brand Recognition.
It's a WotC published game and they using the power of the Dungeons & Dragons name to publicize the game, that same way another game with the Dark Alliance game did in the early 2000's with the Baldur's Gate name.
 
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Downloaded and played 1 hour of CK3 at my uni (not in class lol, while waiting for the train).

I come home, connect my laptop to my mobile data and my save is gone.

Never again.

Will buy on Steam once I have Internet again.

Game pass backend is such fucking bullshit. Im subbed till summer 2022, but as of right now, now way in hell I will continue with my sub.
 

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How’s the Mafia 2 remaster? I had my original copy replaced by it 🤔
 

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That's strange, I still have Mafia II (Classic) and Mafia II Definitive Edition in my library
 

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D&D is a ruleset, Forgotten Realms, Planescape etc. are settings ("campaign settings" if you want to go all traditional), and CRPG is a genre. I think all of those have pretty clear and reasonably distinct meanings and use cases -- though only among people who are into this stuff, obviously.
 

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On another note, EA prices their games higher in PLN than in Euro, making Polish Złoty the 6th most expensive currency to buy their games with.
At least this time you can buy the English text/voice acting version instead of having to listen to Polish/Russian youtubers murder the game characters.
 

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THQ Nordic announce what they will do for previous owners of Kingdoms of Amalur

If you own the original game on [UWSL]Steam [/UWSL]you will get a 50% discount on the re-release. And this will stack with the launch 10% discount they're going to be doing as well. Also, this applies to the base game (MSRP $39.99) or the Fate Edition (MSRP $54.99), which is the bundle that will include the brand new expansion when it releases next year. This offer will run for two months.

This deal does not apply to people who own the game on [UWSL]Origin[/UWSL] though.
 

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Eh, more substantial upgrades and remasters have been provided for free before, unless I've missed something, a trailer I watched looked just how I remember Kingdoms of Amalur with nothing about it seeming modern, no super sharp textures or superb new lighting features or anything as far as I could see personally.
 

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Eh, more substantial upgrades and remasters have been provided for free before, unless I've missed something, a trailer I watched looked just how I remember Kingdoms of Amalur with nothing about it seeming modern, no super sharp textures or superb new lighting features or anything as far as I could see personally.
Probably because they didn't own the license as with Darksiders for instance. I don't know exactly the changes on the remastered but I can understand your point of view on that.
I don't think both cases should be treated equally because we don't know the exact details.
The 60% off discount is nice for both versions, whether that's enough for some is certainly the major issue.

There's a FAQ thread on the Steam community site answering some common questions like "new difficult mode: very hard".


main list of changes is :
8 skills able to use not 4
More inventory
space Zones
don't freeze at level u enter but scale now
Reduced xp gain
New difficulty
Loot is targeted to play style
Harder difficulty
Fov and camera adjustments
Credits to "Bloodborne Queen" on discord for the info
 
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THQ Nordic announce what they will do for previous owners of Kingdoms of Amalur

If you own the original game on [UWSL][UWSL]Steam [/UWSL][/UWSL]you will get a 50% discount on the re-release. And this will stack with the launch 10% discount they're going to be doing as well. Also, this applies to the base game (MSRP $39.99) or the Fate Edition (MSRP $54.99), which is the bundle that will include the brand new expansion when it releases next year. This offer will run for two months.

This deal does not apply to people who own the game on [UWSL][UWSL]Origin[/UWSL][/UWSL] though.
Cool.

Judging by their latest release, regional pricing is quite fair (+83% from suggested price), so I'll probably bite.
 

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cRPG. It's a term for games based on tabletop RPGs that adapt tabletop rules to games in one way or another.
Quedtion:
Is cRPG not just a abbreviation for "Computer Role Playing Game" and in no way states that it must be based on tabletop rules?
 
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Is gears tactics a gears game despite not being a third person cover shooter? Of course.

I seriously don't even understand the problem with pathfinder. It is officially using mechanics and rules under the D&D license. It plays like any other D&D rpg game out there. It's just not trademarked by wizards of the coast as one of many D&D scenarios.
I'm a tad late to this conversation here but there is rarely a real world topic I am so qualified to comment on! I grew up playing D&D (and other group RPGs), even with the designers, I was super lucky to have such access in the 90s.

Calling Pathfinder "D&D" is, firstly, dismissive of the Pathfinder team. They've worked hard on their content, their updates, and their lore, and despite sharing the original ruleset (of one of the versions set out as part of D&D, however note WotC also released the ruleset separately), Pathfinder deserves to be called by what they've established themselves as.

Similarly, there was an official Star Wars tabletop RPG that was created using the d20 ruleset. Would anyone ever call that D&D? No, they'd compare to D&D for useful context, but it would always be referred to as Star Wars (Star Wars d20 was the most common reference I heard since there are other Star Wars games as well).

I think the engine comparison in video games is actually the closest even if it doesn't map 1:1. Despite having the core rules of whatever license edition they started with, they are free to modify and change up or add to them as much as they want within their own ecosystem. Pathfinder didn't, because Pathfinder team actually just liked D&D 3.5 and wanted to create basically a "modded and enhanced" version to use video game terminology. They've stuck very close to the original ruleset because that's what they wanted to expand for people. Other games changed up the content significantly, almost to the point where a lot of it wouldn't have been recognizable at a glance.

Pathfinder and Solastar are probably the only two examples that are almost direct copies of the core rulesets (again, with some additions of their own). If you look at the other games under those licenses you'll see more variety, and by your logic you would still want to call games by other companies, with modified rulesets and completely isolated lore, D&D? That, again, is unfair to all of those companies.

It is useful to refer to those rulesets as the D&D 3/4/5 core rulesets but that doesn't define them. D&D editions (and D&D itself) are a combination of rulesets and content. Even WotC has released other games under the same rulesets that weren't D&D and weren't ever called D&D.
 

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Quedtion:
Is cRPG not just a abbreviation for "Computer Role Playing Game" and in no way states that it must be based on tabletop rules?
The term was the most popular back when almost every true RPG was based (to a various extent) on D&D. Technically the game doesn't have to be based on tabletop rules, but the term is used for games which are similar to those based on them. An RPG with real-time action combat won't be called cRPG, even if it's a role playing game made for computers.
 

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Similarly, there was an official Star Wars tabletop RPG that was created using the d20 ruleset. Would anyone ever call that D&D?
I'm certainly calling it D&D Star Wars, my whole role playing group is.
We played both the very old D6 Star Wars rule set and tried out the D&D version when it arrived, also many years ago.
We quickly went back to the old D6 version and still play that (though very occasionally now and not once in 2020 for obvious reasons), but that's another story. Point is, yes that Star Wars P&P RPG deserves to be called D&D Star Wars.

You see, I don't think using a already proven rule set is a bad thing.

But would you honestly not recommend Pathfinder Kingmaker to somebody looking for a fresh, new D&D RPG?
Would you really say: There is this Pathfinder Game, but it is clearly not D&D so you won't like it?
A person looking for a D&D experience is looking for a certain rule set and not a setting. D&D =|= Forgotten Realms. It's actually no longer a scenario at all. It's just a rule set now.

This whole conversation started if it is fair to call Pathfinder a D&D game and I stand by my yes.
If you like the D&D rule set, played the different P&P iterations. You can start Pathfinder, skip any tutorial and you'll immediately feel like it's your tenth play through. It's like coming home, because it screams D&D rules.
 
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Anyone got tips on getting Luna Nights to run perfectly in fullscreen? I don't know if it's my 144hz monitor, but it felt super sluggish in full screen.

Yeah, it's 50% off. Been waiting for that 50% off. Has something happened?
I guess my time with the game kinda soured me on spending so much on it. I'll grab it when it hits a monthly bundle though, which I'm sure 505 will do eventually.
 

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But Baldur's Gate has real time with pause, Pillars as well. Would they not qualify as cRPGs?

(and yes, I know there are turns in the background of BG)
 
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