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「Echo」

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I tried a 60% once and I can't ever again.

I play MilSims, and NumPad is always traditionally Radio Channels. Where the hell do I put my Radio Channel controls without a numpad.

Squad 6.0 on Wednesday everyone.

Though number-entry when doing my normal SQL Admin work is also important too.
Any gaming mouse worth it's salt has extra buttons. For Siege and Battlefield I would put Melee, Reload, and crouch on the mouse too. Then you never have to take your fingers off the movement keys. :smart-thinking-blob:

And I have a humble Logitech G502 Hero.
 

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Finished NG++ in Armored Core 6. I think I have now armored as many cores as I am going to.
Just finished NG+ here. There were some really cool twists in here.

Played NG mostly with heaviest tank with heaviest weapons (Zimm, Gatling, Songbirds, Needles, Dizzy, Earshot,...). Except the final boss (Fires) for which I switched to wheelchair for mobility (+gatling+needles; I call this build "Bosskiller")

NG+ almost exclusively with Spring Chicken, Vvc-760 Plasma Rifle, and Fasan; melts everything that's not super-mobile, fast, and from max range too. Plasma projectiles are slow, though; can hardly get a hit on CEL 240 or V VIII Pater (Ambush the Vespers). Not much good either against Arquebus' Balteus (Liberator ending). I wheeled out Bosskiller for them.

The most difficult moment for me was still NG's Intercept the Redguns, by far. Then Balteus (1st playthrough only; he lasted 30 secs last time), then... the tutorial Helicopter (no problem now; I learned to play since then).

NG++... I guess I'll try the more exotic stuff. Should do more melee, but I like double trigger too much.

My greatest disappointments are the Pulse guns and shoulders. They are just terrible for general use, and have one supposed niche: getting rid of pulse shields. But even then, they're only marginally better at it than regular weapons... until they overheat, which they do in seconds. So I'm not even sure that they actually pop shields faster than anything else, when all is said and done and all data averaged. Theirs is a sad and pointless existence, and they should feel bad.
 

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Unlike all the souls games I've played the replays actually evolve the story and progress the characters as the game goes on.
ALLMIND exists for all mercenaries.
Plasma projectiles are slow, though; can hardly get a hit on CEL 240 or V VIII Pater (Ambush the Vespers).
If you're using energy weapons for these boss fights, don't keep your distance. Stay close, and use the boosters with fast recovery. A coral generator is recommended too. Charged plasma will melt her in less than a minute.
 
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I'm not sure if you guys have been to a used GameStop but my god are prices insane for the 3DS!!!!!!!!

How is an OG 3DS being sold for $230USD used?


So you have these handhelds that have sold millions of units (so not rare) and being sold for over their MSRP second hand??? How?



GameStop made millions from used games, now small mom and pop shops plan to take it to the next level, by selling those items CIB. Honestly, it's crazy to think how if way back when if GameStop had listing and stuff for CIB of how much money they would be able to make now. And yes space is an issue but that doesn't seem to be the issue with small stores.

Some prices that I have seen are okay, other meanwhile are just high way robbery.
 
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Seems like the ideal moment to finally get Cyberpunk but I'd like to experience the game with a visual quality that does it justice and that's not happening on my PC.
 
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Interestingly, I randomly talked with a friend about SaGa yesterday (and how different the games are from most JRPGs) and then we discovered that a new mainline SaGa game was announced just a few days ago!

I completely missed that. Nice to see, I thought Scarlet Grace was a flop so I didn't expect them to greenlight another one. I guess the budgets are also suitably low.
 

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Interestingly, I randomly talked with a friend about SaGa yesterday (and how different the games are from most JRPGs) and then we discovered that a new mainline SaGa game was announced just a few days ago!

I completely missed that. Nice to see, I thought Scarlet Grace was a flop so I didn't expect them to greenlight another one. I guess the budgets are also suitably low.
Kawazu makes them on a shoestring budget, so they don't need 5 million sales to break even.
 
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Epic business sense! :D Have you tried Morrisons? I know the large one in Sheffield used to sell them.

If still no luck, how much is the card for? And can it be used for Kindle purchases? If it's not too much, we could look into doing a 1-1 switch: I could buy you a UK Steam Gift Card and you could throw me the Amazon UK code? (Assumes you've not redeemed it yet. :p )
I already redeemed it, but thanks for the offer.

I was able to purchase a physical Apple gift card with it, so I’m just gonna use it towards the cost of my new MacBook Air 15.
 

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I'm not sure if you guys have been to a used GameStop but my god are prices insane for the 3DS!!!!!!!!

How is an OG 3DS being sold for $230USD used?


So you have these handhelds that have sold millions of units (so not rare) and being sold for over their MSRP second hand??? How?



GameStop made millions from used games, now small mom and pop shops plan to take it to the next level, by selling those items CIB. Honestly, it's crazy to think how if way back when if GameStop had listing and stuff for CIB of how much money they would be able to make now. And yes space is an issue but that doesn't seem to be the issue with small stores.

Some prices that I have seen are okay, other meanwhile are just high way robbery.
Sadly that's the way it's been going for quite some time (in the West anyway).
Lots of fans of retrogaming with disposable income, the decade+ rise for anything physical (Pokémon being almost always above MSRP of their time? Insane) and the massive speculation that it has led to?
Bad results on the market.

Worse, it will lead to (and arguably already did for anything actually old and rare) to all of those old platforms and games to be completely forgotten if there's no good emulation for them.
But hey, at least rich people can tell us all about how better it is to play $400 games on original hardware that can be found at auctions.
 
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Regarding Nier Automata, i will play it multiple times just not right away.

Really hard to understand why they are switching to Unreal. I get that maintaining an engine is work, but they are clearly making a ton of money from Cyberpunk, and their current engine runs pretty well on PC and from what I gather, on consoles too after the 2.0 patch.
 

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Really hard to understand why they are switching to Unreal. I get that maintaining an engine is work, but they are clearly making a ton of money from Cyberpunk, and their current engine runs pretty well on PC and from what I gather, on consoles too after the 2.0 patch.
Im guessing onboarding talent has been more trouble than it's worth for them. They should just let the engine be open to the public like unreal engine and problem solved!
 
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Finished NG++ in Armored Core 6. I think I have now armored as many cores as I am going to. The only achievements left involve either grinding for S ranks or money and I'm good on that.
... And that's me now.

I'm not a super fan of the true final boss, both thematically (go away, Iguazu, I'm fighting a serious boss, here) and mechanically (not playtested with M&Kb, as usual; hard target lock is unusable with a mouse when there are several enemies, as any mouse movement at all switches target; since there is no reason to take out the adds or ever lock onto them, and plenty of reasons to keep your eye on the boss, that means that you are fighting the game itself more than the boss)

Overall tough, much fun was had. If someone had told me, a few months ago, that I'd spend that long in a post-apocalyptic game involving giant-mecha-robots, I'd have gently patted them on the hand, sat them down in a comfy chair, and advised them against combining medicine and vodka during a heatwave. That's just so not my cup of Ceylan tea. Yet here we are.

stories that aren't just completely obtuse.
The first two endings are relatively straightforward, sure, but the true ending...??..? :huhblob: ......?...!!?.. is every bit as recondite as anything in SoulsRing.

There is a bit more comic relief, though (G1 Michigan and G6 Red are just so cute :dmcblob:).

Well; I guess my next sortie is Lies of P...
 

Paul

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If Valve announces that starting tomorrow, they only take 5% cut on all games on steam..

Will games get cheaper on Steam by 25%? No.

Will third party steam key stores that can only compete by taking much smaller cut (and thus attract customers by offering discounts) go out of business? Yes.

In the end, situation would probably be better for game companies, and worse for game customers.
 

Arc

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Even more arguments about Valve's commission?


I've probably said it a million times but I will not take any complaints about 30% cuts seriously unless they also include console stores in their complaint. At least be consistent.
The talking point I've always heard is because the console manufacturers make hardware. Therefore Valve making the Steam Deck means 30% is A-OK. :smart-thinking-blob:
 
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I don't know if it's the same guy but this isn't the first time I see an (former) ubisoft employee shitting on steam. I have to wonder if it's a precondition to work at Ubi :upside-down-face:.
The talking point I've always heard is because the console manufacturers make hardware. Therefore Valve making the Steam Deck means 30% is A-OK. :smart-thinking-blob:
I know you're joking, but this always read to me as internet people moving goalposts, as in, why should devs in that case be fine with it :thinking-face:
 

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I know you're joking, but this always read to me as internet people moving goalposts, as in, why should devs in that case be fine with it :thinking-face:
I wasn't joking. Straight from the horse's mouth:

Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all take a 30 percent cut from ‌Epic Games‌ on their platforms and require their in-app purchase systems to be used, but Sweeney said that Epic is not challenging them because he believes in the idea of "subsidized hardware," though he also admitted that ‌iPhone‌ and iOS development is "very similar."
As far as we know, Sony takes short term losses on PS5 hardware (Took less than a year for the disc PS5 console to be profitable) and Nintendo hardware is almost always profitable from the outset (with the only known exception being the Wii U). Microsoft says their hardware is still unprofitable, but that's their problem.

Just from that IGN interview with Gabe in 2021, I get the notion that the Steam Deck was an incurring a loss or was barely breaking even at launch. As they have been more aggressive with discounts the past year, I would guess they were able to lower production costs and can be more flexible with the price nowadays.

Either you don't like the 30% cut and think it should be reduced everywhere or you're inconsistent targeting only Valve.
 

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The sad truth is that a lot of developers don't understand their customers and don't understand the market. I sympathize with wanting a lower cut, who wouldn't like more money? However the path to that goal can't be through making the customer experience worse because customers will push back and rightly so.

The reason customers boycotted Epic, Ubisoft, EA and others wasn't because of Steam fanboyism. It was because all of these companies offered an awful service, it was because they were all content with doing the bare minimum in order to get 100% of the revenue.
 

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The first two endings are relatively straightforward, sure, but the true ending...??..? :huhblob: ......?...!!?.. is every bit as recondite as anything in SoulsRing.

There is a bit more comic relief, though (G1 Michigan and G6 Red are just so cute :dmcblob:).
I don't fully agree, but I am with you that it is the least straightforward of the endings. Maybe my predilections on transhumanism and other scifi led me to read more into it or something. Regardless having any ending that is understandable is already a step up for From Software.

Meeting G6 in person is both funny and sad. I do enjoy the Full Metal Jacket delivery from G1. Very humourous throughout.
 

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It will never not be funny reading so many bad takes about an industry from "senior" or "expert" people within that industry. And to add insult to injury they don't understand their customers either. Just a perfect storm of mediocrity and stupidity with twitter accounts.
 

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I hate to be the one with the sense of humor but I do find it really funny how devs are getting nickel n dimed by corporations via fees, cuts etc.

It kind of reminds me of the paid mods stuff that Bethesda tried to pull on Steam.

Monetizing something that has always been free is classic fuck you capitalism. Gamers getting fucked for so many years with dlc, microtransactions and numerous other bs tactics. Now the megacorps turn on the devs to squeeze them for a little extra juice.

It feels like the only way industry profits can grow at steady rate is to suck all the money out of both the creators and consumers lol. Everyone wants an extra slice of the pie.....even engine creators wtf.

And saddest thing of all is devs release broken, buggy and incomplete games. Completely destroying the relationship between them and gamers. And then they expect some type of sympathy from the gaming community who spend their hard earned money on this very expensive form of entertainment. I mean sure keep blaming the gaming community for wanting quality assurance. Imagine how bad game releases would be today on PC if Steam reviews didn't exist. I am pretty sure at this point the only reason devs are forced to update their games with patches is because that user score at the top of the steam pages.
 

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No idea why some rando devs are bringing up the Steam 30% cut following Unity's weird install fee. Valve is pretty upfront to devs on what they pay in fees, and we know that the 30% isn't even a fixture, games that sell above a certain threshold pay less. Given how much Valve is doing for PC Gaming, like single-handedly making Linux gaming viable, releasing the first affordable portable PC handheld and continuing to offer amazing services, like Steam Input, which allows you to customise your input and supports myriads of obscure gamepads that most games would never actively target, it's bizarre to me how anyone even remotely familiar with PC Gaming would question why Valve is asking for a 30%.
I get it with devs who aren't too familiar with the PC landscape, and just assume it's the same as in console land. With consoles, it doesn't matter how you get your games, physical or digital, the experience will be the same. You'll have the same ability to customise controls (usually very limited), take and share screenshots and videos, earn achievements and whatever other features the consoles has. None of that is a thing in PC gaming. The only way you get that stuff, is if the client supports it. In many ways, the Steam client is like PC Gaming infrastructure. One that Valve has continuously honed and improved. Valve has made playing on Steam an experience that is far superior to any other store and even piracy seems like a bad idea when it means you don't get to use Steam and its amazing feature set. In many ways, I'd argue that PC gaming as a viable business wouldn't exist without Valve.
And yet we have this constant, never ending stream of ignorant developers and journalists (who even work for PC gaming focused outlets) that question why people dare to like Steam and how Valve can possibly ask for a 30% cut.
 

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To put it simply, people just have more trust in Valve than they do others.

If you bought half life way back when and registered your key on Steam years later when it was an okay, guess what you still have access to that same copy that because a part of your Steam library.

Ultimately it's the library aspect of Steam (along other features) that is important to people.



I was looking back and a Uplay trailer from 2009 and honestly it looked like a cool idea, there was stuff that they were trying to do with it but at the same time it also sucked. Giving people rewards for playing games is nice but what Happens when they remove that feature? I'm not sure what Ubisoft ultimately ended up doing since there was content for Ubi games that was locked because the Uplay Rewards. The rewards system isn't new and I know that Rockstar had Social Club.





I saw the Ubisoft Connect beta trailer from 2 months ago and I'm not 100 sure that making it customer centric was their primary focus.





There are legitimate complaints that people do have with Steam. Losing access to your library can be a huge issue especially if there was an issue with processing your payment. So long as those are very rare and that Valve fixes them, it hopefully will not ballon into something bigger.
 

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Regardless having any ending that is understandable is already a step up for From Software.
Agreed.

Maybe my predilections on transhumanism and other scifi led me to read more into it or something.
Maybe.

Maybe I'm slow. For instance, I just now realised that the true ending being called "Alea Iacta Est", on a planet called Rubicon.... is probably not a coincidence... [facepalm] ... (G1 Michigan: "Gun 13, your ability to miss obvious references is uncanny!")

...and besides the obvious (in retrospect) reference to Suetonius, it is also a reference to an easily missable "Text Data" by Father Doylaman, which only start making sense when you have all of them and completed AIE....

... and it appears that the whole "suddenly, black hole" thing makes more sense when lifting the concept of "Limit of Questions" straight from an anime called "Eureka Seven" --- a source with which I confess less familiarity than Suetonius. I thank Reddit from broadening my horizons on that one....

... and why does that ending also remind me of Neon Genesis Evangelion, something I'm (unfortunately) familiar with, if only reluctantly (it's bloody depressing) and in passing...

...

All in all, I'm pretty sure squeezing all the juice out of this ending will take a while. It's probably clearer than most of Elden Ring's particularly unintelligible endings, but Dark Souls' "Rekindle the Fire of Life or Snuff It" endings look simplistic and straightforward in comparison to "Universally Alter the Nature of Human Consciousness via a Spontaneous Black Hole Caused by Exceeding a Critical Density of Sapience-Substrate".
 

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I completely missed that. Nice to see, I thought Scarlet Grace was a flop so I didn't expect them to greenlight another one. I guess the budgets are also suitably low.
As much as I look forward to Trails through Daybreak, Emerald Beyond also has the potential to go on my 2024 GOTY list. The sci-fi setting alone already makes it real interesting to me as some sort of callback to SaGa Frontier. Also, Kawazu is really cooking with the character designs.



It's a real shame because each game only sells about 5 copies each. Let's aim for at least 2 copies of Emerald Beyond bought by members of this forum! :flare_shades:
Regardless having any ending that is understandable is already a step up for From Software.
Piecing together my own theories as I progress through the game is what I find enjoyable the most. I like the true ending, and how “the bigger picture” isn't revealed outright, but something that even the in-game characters doesn't fully aware as well.

Maybe I'm slow. For instance, I just now realised that the true ending being called "Alea Iacta Est", on a planet called Rubicon.... is probably not a coincidence... [facepalm] ... (G1 Michigan: "Gun 13, your ability to miss obvious references is uncanny!")
The only thing missing is an eagle decal preset with SPQR written on it (instead of PCA), but then again, perhaps it's a bit too on the nose. :flare_lmao:
 
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Developers!, Valve saved PC gaming from piracy.
Steam give you the opportunity to get a sale on PC (and I mostly buy games on third party key stores cheaper than Steam price).
People don't want PC games outside Steam, assume this.

Is the same Phil said once about PlayStation time ago, we arrived two generations late and many people have been building their digital collections on PlayStation and we won't make this change. Then the same is for PC. People have been building their Steam collections for 20 years, assume this. We won't start a new one on another launcher for one game when you have 2000 other games on your whislist and so many more release daily.
 

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Lol. "Dumb gamers didn't like the Ubisoft store, so they didn't spend money there. Now they buy Ubisoft games on Steam. Dumb gamers."

Just... wtf? These shill people clearly don't even listen to themselves. Every one of their arguments, followed to logical conclusion, makes the opposite point that they think they're making. How are people this stupid? I mean, I know that people are stupid, so not sure why I'm ever surprised anymore, especially where greed and personal profit are concerned.
 

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That first tweet seems like such a Timmy thing to do. Bring Valve into the conversation because the topic of money came up. "Sure this thing is bad but did you know that Valve makes developers pay 30%?"


So uhhh is Steam good or bad now?
 
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