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Ge0force

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It's all fun and jokes until the massive corporation, which has a long history of doing so, decides to leverage their position to do something scummy.
This. I know we can't do anything about this takeover as consumers. I'm just surprised to see people being happy about it. This probably won't end well long term.

Aldo, good luck to any company that tries to compete with game pass, without long lasting popular IP's like CoD, Diablo and Skyrim.
 

Alextended

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This game's selling itself on how characters start as (machine made from digital art?) embroidered objects but with all the post production and processing they look like any hand drawn stuff, with a pencil sketch like filter on top. Yoshi's Woolly World, Kirby's Epic Yarn and Kirby and the Rainbow Paintbrush among other games probably aren't even borne of physical objects in this way but look the part much more. Kind of a pointless process/extra step, or is it just me?
 
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「Echo」

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Mt. Whatever
Yeah I saw an LG 34GP83A-B but it's 750 bucks haha

What about this one?
I have nothing but good to say about DELL. Top-quality, none of the garish gamer looks. (They save that for the Alienware line.) Both of my monitors are DELL's and I love them, especially at the price point.

Friends don’t let friends buy Razer! As I see you as a friend, consider this as an intervention before it’s too late!
This tbh. I've never had a single Razer product last even a year. I don't get it. I switched to Logitech and now I only buy new accessories when I want to. Never had one fail on me or anything like that. (Except for a keyboard I accidentally spilled half a bottle of Wine on LOL.)
 

NarohDethan

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I have nothing but good to say about DELL. Top-quality, none of the garish gamer looks. (They save that for the Alienware line.) Both of my monitors are DELL's and I love them, especially at the price point.



This tbh. I've never had a single Razer product last even a year. I don't get it. I switched to Logitech and now I only buy new accessories when I want to. Never had one fail on me or anything like that. (Except for a keyboard I accidentally spilled half a bottle of Wine on LOL.)
Well, I got an LG Ultrawide and a Logitech mouse on the way lol
 

「Echo」

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Mt. Whatever
It is awesome. For all 10 games that support it lol
Unfortunate but true. With Windows 11 at least you could split the desktop in half, and pretend it's dual monitor. :LOL:
(but at that point, i'd rather just have a real dual-monitor setup which i am lucky enough to have.)

Somebody i know has one of those huge ass OLED 48-inch monitors, and he splits it in 4 sections. Programming stuff, server stuff or discord, browser, and game.
 
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Derrick01

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Kotick wants out, so who is gonna buy them?

You've got a tossup of only a handful of companies that can actually afford them and would be interested in buying them.

Microsoft, Tencent, Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund, Nintendo, Sony.

And if Microsoft is blocked from buying them, they'll move heaven and earth to stop Nintendo or Sony from getting them.

So that just leaves us Tencent and House of Saud. Throw in Elon Musk as a wildcard because that man spends money to be an Internet troll.

Pick your poison, basically.
Personally I don't care about actiblizz at all, they've made 1 good game in more years than I can even bother remembering at this point and it was just a one time special deal (Sekiro). But if I were to imagine it was another company being bought, one I did care about, I'd much rather have tencent buy them than MS. At least they'd remain multiplat and by all accounts tencent seems to be as hands off as MS is reported to be (just without the insane mismanagement going on at most of MS' studios).

Ideally we'd go back to the world where the bigger pubs were never being bought but MS kinda shat all over that world years ago. What needs to happen now is they need to be blocked from any future publishers. I don't care if they want to sell or are about to go out of business, MS has more than enough. More than they can handle given the state of a bunch of their studios/games right now.
 
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So CDPR dropped their REDEngine that scales amazing with number of cores for UE5 that basically has no difference between 6 and 8 cores...
The thing is, that it's waaaay easier to onboard people using UE, than a propietary engine.

With that said I'm shocked that it took epic so long to "fix" (it remains to be seen if it works well) things like shader compilation (I haven't watch the video but I remember they explained that they had found a way to fix it).

And I'm surprised that with how widespread UE and epic race to be the ultimate middleware company how long it always takes them to fix/implement anything.
 

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The thing is, that it's waaaay easier to onboard people using UE, than a propietary engine.

With that said I'm shocked that it took epic so long to "fix" (it remains to be seen if it works well) things like shader compilation (I haven't watch the video but I remember they explained that they had found a way to fix it).

And I'm surprised that with how widespread UE and epic race to be the ultimate middleware company how long it always takes them to fix/implement anything.
It is way easier to onboard people to make product that is in the end worse for end user. That's the main issue. What's the point of Lumen and Nanite when engine doesn't use hardware properly and doesn't scale well, and performs worse than 3 year old engine (or more). And this is engine that will dominate next 6-7 years. If we look entire industry in-house engines almost always performed better than 3rd party ones and used hardware way better than 3rd party ones.

Epic is showing Lumen today and 4A games released fully ray traced game (Metro Exodus EE) on consoles what 2 or 3 years ago.
 
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It is way easier to onboard people to make product that is in the end worse for end user. That's the main issue. What's the point of Lumen and Nanite when engine doesn't use hardware properly and doesn't scale well, and performs worse than 3 year old engine (or more). And this is engine that will dominate next 6-7 years. If we look entire industry in-house engines almost always performed better than 3rd party ones and used hardware way better than 3rd party ones.

Epic is showing Lumen today and 4A games released fully ray traced game (Metro Exodus EE) on consoles what 2 or 3 years ago.
Yes, in-house engines will work better, because they're suited to the teams needs. But they require more effort to get people working with it.

And with how long it takes to make games now, they see it as a worthy trade-off (in an industry were people keep getting burned and with a high turn-over).

Do I like that more and more companies rely on one single engine and company ? No, but that's another story.
 
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Kyougar

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I was minutes away buying a MSI Radeon RX 6750 XT MECH 2X 12G for 400€
Until I checked my case and only found a single 8 pin power supply :loudly-crying-face:
I dunno if there is a second one somewhere in the enclosed power supply case but my quick search only found that one.

Edit: I found the reserve cables in the box.
two issues remain:
  • the PSU is enclosed in a separate part of the case with just a window where the one 8 pin comes out, no direct access to the PSU connectors at a quick glance
  • it is only 550 watt and the 6750 recommends 650
 
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How many WATS is that PSU? It most likely has another 8 pin tucked in somewhere, so definitely look first.

AMD cards are a bit more power hungry, so I don't know how safe it would be to do a 2x molex to 8-pin adapter. But generally speaking, if the PSU has enough power in that rail to do it safely, then it most likely has 2x 8-pin PCI-E available anyway.
 

Kyougar

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How many WATS is that PSU? It most likely has another 8 pin tucked in somewhere, so definitely look first.

AMD cards are a bit more power hungry, so I don't know how safe it would be to do a 2x molex to 8-pin adapter. But generally speaking, if the PSU has enough power in that rail to do it safely, then it most likely has 2x 8-pin PCI-E available anyway.
Edit: I found the reserve cables in the box.
two issues remain:
  • the PSU is enclosed in a separate part of the case with just a window where the one 8 pin comes out, no direct access to the PSU connectors at a quick glance
  • it is only 550 watt and the 6750 recommends 650
 

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A decent quality 550w PSU should be fine imo, but I'm not a tech reviewer or have particular experience with this card of course. Usually official recommendations take into account some headroom for other stuff too, power hungry CPU, coolers, pumps, fans, etc. just to be safe.

One thing I have seen tho is that 6750xt, 6800xt, etc are relatively easy to safely undervolt, and can shave off up to ~50w of power draw for minimal (I'm talking 1-3% or even not at all depending on the game) loss in performance, so that's also an option. It's really just as easy as moving a couple sliders in the AMD software and running a test for stability (no possible damage to components at all).


Personally, I wouldn't be that worried as long as the PSU is relatively decent (gold rated hopefully) and not like a no brand/$40 one. But again, with the caveat that my experience with owning AMD cards is practically 0. Unfortunately, that's somewhere where Nvidia, even the disappointing 4xxx series, still has an edge.

edit: also, as far as the extra cables, if it's a modular or semi-modular PSU (which I think it is) you probably have to get at the connectors to plug it in all the way in safely. That would probably require making some room or taking it out, unfortunately. Making sure you have well seated cables is really important imo
 
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Kyougar

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A decent quality 550w PSU should be fine imo, but I'm not a tech reviewer or have particular experience with this card of course. Usually official recommendations take into account some headroom for other stuff too, power hungry CPU, coolers, pumps, fans, etc. just to be safe.

One thing I have seen tho is that 6750xt, 6800xt, etc are relatively easy to safely undervolt, and can shave off up to ~50w of power draw for minimal (I'm talking 1-3% or even not at all depending on the game) loss in performance, so that's also an option. It's really just as easy as moving a couple sliders in the AMD software and running a test for stability (no possible damage to components at all).


Personally, I wouldn't be that worried as long as the PSU is relatively decent (gold rated hopefully) and not like a no brand/$40 one. But again, with the caveat that my experience with owning AMD cards is practically 0. Unfortunately, that's somewhere where Nvidia, even the disappointing 4xxx series, still has an edge.
It's a Sharkoon Gold 550w
And even if I do all that, there is still the issue with the enclosed PSU in the case.
If there are no other 8-pin 550W options that are comparable, I will possibly end up with the 4060TI, which has 8-pin 550W
 

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Yes, in-house engines will work better, because they're suited to the teams needs. But they require more effort to get people working with it.

And with how long it takes to make games now, they see it as a worthy trade-off (in an industry were people keep getting burned and with a high turn-over).

Do I like that more and more companies rely on one single engine and company ? No, but that's another story.
It is way easier to train people to work on modern in-house engines today than it was years before. But it is more expensive to have engine team I guess so costs had to be cut. And UE is obviously designed to target console hardware first and PC second. So yeah I would be prepared for another few years of subpar PC ports. Maybe they will solve shader compilation but something else will pop up (like bad CPU utilization from that DF video).
 
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It's a Sharkoon Gold 550w
And even if I do all that, there is still the issue with the enclosed PSU in the case.
If there are no other 8-pin 550W options that are comparable, I will possibly end up with the 4060TI, which has 8-pin 550W
Unfortunately I don't know the brand, but I don't think it's that bad from a quick look around. As long as it delivers the full power it's rated for I think it should be fine with either card.

A bit of a long post ahead on the card choice again, but tldr, I've cooled off on the hate for the 4060ti and frankly, I don't want anyone to feel bad about making an informed decision and enjoying some games. So as long as people have done their calculations, looked at the market availability in their region, their budget, weighed pros and cons, there is a world where the 4060ti is their best option and a genuine performer for games out there, and it's not my place to judge otherwise.

--- I still have to raise the well known caveats : the 8gb VRAM is going to be very limiting going forward. They shouldn't be, not at the current console spec and expected visual quality, but unfortunately that's not always up to the hardware, and poor optimization by developers is sad fact of life. More than that, even with the 16gb version, we still don't know the full extent of what the lower bandwidth is gonna cost the more games come out. It just as well could manifest itself in poorer frame pacing or occasional hitching in situations it shouldn't, making the $500 price tag even more of a joke.

OTOH, the 4060ti 8gb in raster trades blows with a 6750xt, it could be faster in some games, or within reaching distance in others. In absolute terms, that's where most of the disappointment comes in for tech enthusiasts (we've seen no gains in 2-3 years with much better chips! WTH?!), but we don't live in an absolute world where people upgrade to best case scenario spreadsheet targets. Everyone has a different needs, setups, availability and people are buyng what's out there for many different reasons.

All the big gains for this card seem to be in power consumption, and it will definitely be a winner, and provide good value for people looking for power bill savings, which in my personal case at least it's as key as anything else.

DLSS and frame gen will be essential to staying relevant for the next few years, and as we've seen from AMD sponsored games, that has also become something we can't always rely on for the future (just a sad state of affairs all around). The RTX performance is also surprisingly good for its tier (understanding that fiddling with settings and resolution is needed), and at least in currently released games like Cyberpunk, Metro, DL2, it definitely offers a very playable experience that looks quite nice. Less confident in future RT games being so generous, even with DLSS/Frame Gen.

And speaking of frame gen, understanding what games it works for best is something to consider thoroughly (and taking a bet for the future in some cases). The best benefits are already on situations where the game can achieve semi-high fps targets, and will require some sacrifices to IQ, like moving the DLSS slider from the quality towards the performance slot, which can result in things that aren't apparent at first glance or evident from videos and reviews (ghosting, image smearing, poorer readability and latency/bad game feel)

At some point in the future, you won't be able to brute force even decent optimized settings, especially what passes for "High" in key departments like textures and lightning. That's just a fact. Medium and Low these days tend to look like absolute garbage. There are just too many studios out there trying to hit spec targets with reckless disregard for visual quality at low settings. where cards like the 3060 12GB or 6700xt+ will, annoyingly, be able to get away with looking better in those aspects than the 4060ti, while not necessarily performing any better at the same time.
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I hope that didn't come off as ranty or aggressive, but just to say that yes, with a single 8pin power cable, a 4060ti should be one of the best options to slot in this particular case, and all things being equal, despite the bad choices by nvidia, the poor state of affairs of pc ports and other fuckery, good looking games with equivalent console settings even hopefully up to ~1440p res can still be enjoyed with it.
 
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Madventure

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I see all you degenerates buying Baldur's Gate 3 in the past few days.

BG3 looking hype though. Can't wait for my copy to come in.


 

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I know the whole Microsoft buying ActiBlizzard is kind of a big deal, but the more important news is I refunded Tiny Tina’s Wonderland. I just wasn’t as into it as I expected, plus a voice in my head was screaming that it was going to hit Humble Bundle at some point in the near future. Borderlands 3 appeared in like three bundles so I think Tina’s a shoe in.

I think I’m going for Pocky and Rocky Reshrined. Steam Deck compatible, uncensored to my knowledge, and I love a good shooter. I love that the art direction still has that SNES look.

Added bonus when watching a review I learned about Andro Dunos 2 also on Steam. Looks pretty decent!


So yeah, big news folks.
 

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I found the performance in Fortnite to be pretty unacceptable considering the visuals on display. I wasn't able to get locked 120 FPS on a 4090/13900K/64gb DDR5 with either software or hardware Lumen and their DLSS equivalent (so 1440P internal res I think?). Sure the lighting looked good at times, but everything else looked really mediocre. Forza Horizon 4/5 both look significantly better and run at 120 FPS at native 4K on the same rig (and their baked GI looks just as good as the real-time lumen while still updating with time of day). It's a bummer the creators of the engine don't have a better demonstration of it outside of the tech demos.
 

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I found the performance in Fortnite to be pretty unacceptable considering the visuals on display. I wasn't able to get locked 120 FPS on a 4090/13900K/64gb DDR5 with either software or hardware Lumen and their DLSS equivalent (so 1440P internal res I think?). Sure the lighting looked good at times, but everything else looked really mediocre. Forza Horizon 4/5 both look significantly better and run at 120 FPS at native 4K on the same rig (and their baked GI looks just as good as the real-time lumen while still updating with time of day). It's a bummer the creators of the engine don't have a better demonstration of it outside of the tech demos.
Yeah, it runs like shit.

Inspires hope for the future!
 
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Li Kao

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FFS Steam ! Painfully adding each fucking DLC of Warhammer 40K Martyr because the pub is a crook that does not use 'Complete your collection'. Look at wishlist. Steam client down.
I mean lol lol, we can joke that it's Steam strongly suggesting something, but for real, the prospect of re adding each of those fucking DLC is not enticing.
 
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