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Mor

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Also, please note that I'm talking in a very wholesome way, not angry, not furious, hell no, I'm debating with all of you who want. :cat-heart-blob:

Didn't EA have exclusive rights on SW games? What am I missing?
The deal ends this year.
 
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Didn't EA have exclusive rights on SW games? What am I missing?
It is strange. I think the EA contract ends in 2023, and the new games are only starting development now so will only be out from then?
 

EdwardTivrusky

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Didn't EA have exclusive rights on SW games? What am I missing?
I've no idea what went on behind the scenes but EA will still make Star Wars games yet Disney/Lucas will be approaching other studios to also make Star Wars games. I suspect Disney lawyers went through the contract and found enough to allow them to get out of it early and offered EA an amicable way out before the contract ends in a year or two. An amicable agreement benefits both parties and i reckon EA would have been silly to go up against Disney in court.

Star Wars is huge at the moment and with EA finally putting out good Star Wars games they'd be silly to argue themselves out of a slice of the pie.
 
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yuraya

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Maybe EA is done making SW games even tho they have the deal for another 1 year. Or maybe they have 1 game left so they don't care if other devs start announcing partnerships. Whatever contract they agreed to will always favor Disney so none of this stuff will make sense for the typical game news.
 

Mor

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Maybe EA is done making SW games even tho they have the deal for another 1 year. Or maybe they have 1 game left so they don't care if other devs start announcing partnerships. Whatever contract they agreed to will always favor Disney so none of this stuff will make sense for the typical game news.
They already announced they will keep doing SW games, it's just that the IP is not EA exclusive to use.
 
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Wildebeet

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The first game did not instantly click with me. I have played it a few times and was very disappointed (I expected a more classical platformer).
I tried again 6 months later, and it was not better. It only clicked a year later after I gave it another try.

The second game instantly clicked due to the nostalgia, and the improvements to the classical formula.
I get that. A lot of my favorite games didn't grab me at first at all. Then way later, sometimes a couple years later, I don't know what I was doing without them all this time. I can see Spelunky being like that for me.
 

madjoki

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6 months to add achies? at least I didn't pay full price. :p

Edit: Maybe it's more like 3 months tho...
 
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Mor

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6 months to add achies? at least I didn't pay full price. :p

Edit: Maybe it's more like 3 months tho...
Hopefully we will be able to datamine and see if they removed the Steam references (leftover code most likely BUT who knows :evilblob:)
 
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Dragon1893

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Although I finished Haven I decided to revisit it because I hadn't explored the whole map and I'm glad I did. I missed more islets than I thought and there's a set of them that looks different from the ones I had seen. I also keep triggering new conversations for the characters.
I'm glad the last patch introduced the possibility to resume the game before the point of no return.
 

QFNS

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Card Games Council, what is this?
I have not played this one despite my (self given) tag. I would also like to know!

In other news, I know very little about the 3 Kingdoms period of China and have started playing Total War Three Kingdoms. But I can tell you I don't need to know anything about history to know this. That son of b***** neighbor just murdered my father! His family must be destroyed! They must pay!!!! Cao Cao cannot let this stand! I'm sure these will be no consequences forme taking these sorts of actions.

Having fun with it so far.
 
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PC-tan

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I just realized that the Ubi Star Wars game may come to Steam. Because at the end of the day it's Disney that gets the final say and not Ubi.

Because of EA and Star Wars with EGS. But then again that's because of fortnite and Disney wanting to do a cross promotion thing.

Disney has also published stuff on Steam (it was them that released OG Battlefront on PC, they even did some updates to it and brought back online for the game). So there is money to be made.
 

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I just realized that the Ubi Star Wars game may come to Steam. Because at the end of the day it's Disney that gets the final say and not Ubi.

Because of EA and Star Wars with EGS. But then again that's because of fortnite and Disney wanting to do a cross promotion thing.

Disney has also published stuff on Steam (it was them that released OG Battlefront on PC, they even did some updates to it and brought back online for the game). So there is money to be made.
I doubt Disney will have (or choose to exercise, anyway) any say over what platforms the game is available on, but one can always hope.
 

NarohDethan

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It's amazing that they're still trying to keep up with their good guy persona after all this. So dense.
They found the perfect scapegoat with the last gen console version. 'if the consoles werent so shitty it wouldnt have so much bugs on the next gen/pc, our people wouldnt have to crunch that hard because consoles suck', etc.
 

PC-tan

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I beat the touryst. It only took me about 8 hours to 100% the game. I give it a 6/10.

It does seem like the devs want to make a sequel based off the ending which still does not make a lot of sense to me.

I played it on XSX as part of Gamepass.

The next game that I think I'm going to play is Black that one EA FPS game. I don't think it ever released for PC. Is that game decent? It says that it only takes about 8 hours to beat.


Something that I'm going to try to do is clear my backlog by playing games on different platforms
 
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eonden

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I think you overestimate the scope, or better said, the size of the engagement driven by Ubi games on EGS, what makes you think that?

Economical reports? they don't give us splits.

Top seller lists? EGS lists are manual so, yeah, no thanks and without specific numbers for scale, we can't even calculate the size.

Social media? bubbles.

Please don't forget that Odyssey somehow managed to make into Silver category of best sellers 2020, FC5 was bronze and R6 Siege is Platinum in terms of MTX and newcomers, so a good chunck of their income is still coming from Steam.

So, the thing is, have everyone jumped? I don't think so, so yeah, it's not like it's going to be forever. It will take years but everything comes back.
I mean, people are also a bit old fashioned when thinking "well, more people buying their games in uPlay were they take 100% of their cut" when all the big players are moving to a model that is "be avaialble everywhere to maximize the userbase reach" (in the case of Ubisoft they are on Luna and on Stadia for instance).
As we are moving into a more platform "neutral" future, with subscriptions and services at the front, the most interesting part for platforms and publishers is not to "maximize the revenue stream by ensuring we get the maximum possible cut" but "maximize the reach to obtain maximum revenue stream and maximum IP recognition".

The time for "everyone getting its own launcher and that being the only place to get their stuff" has been slowly transitioning into "everyone has their own launcher (cause that gives free data and makes it easier to have consistent UI between their games) that has good forks with other launchers to maximize outreach" ever since MS and EA realized that "maybe we need to break out of our self imposed PC exclusivity" (and Bethesda too, but lol Bethesda launcher).
Didn't EA have exclusive rights on SW games? What am I missing?
EA exclusivity for SW games ends in 2023, so SW games by other publishers are already in development. Disney launching a new Lucasart subdivision only for games means they wanted to announce new stuff so that it makes sense why it exists (hence the low key announcements of both the Indy game and this game, as they are still far off).
 

Ge0force

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I think you overestimate the scope, or better said, the size of the engagement driven by Ubi games on EGS, what makes you think that?

Top seller lists? EGS lists are manual so, yeah, no thanks and without specific numbers for scale, we can't even calculate the size.

Social media? bubbles.

Please don't forget that Odyssey somehow managed to make into Silver category of best sellers 2020, FC5 was bronze and R6 Siege is Platinum in terms of MTX and newcomers, so a good chunck of their income is still coming from Steam.

So, the thing is, have everyone jumped? I don't think so, so yeah, it's not like it's going to be forever. It will take years but everything comes back.
Yes, based on the top sellers list. We don't know any numbers, but this indicates that Ubisofts games are doing well on EGS, at least compared to other games. And we do know that certain other games like Satisfactory, WWZ and Snow Runner sold very well on EGS.

Another point is that Valhalla sold extremely well, more than any other Ubisoft game. Because lots of these sales were at full price, the revenue may be much higher than the revenue of Ubisofts older games on Steam.

It's just a guess of course. Steam is the only one reporting concurrent users.
 
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Mor

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Yes, based on the top sellers list. We don't know any numbers, but this indicates that Ubisofts games are doing well on EGS, at least compared to other games. And we do know that certain other games like Satisfactory, WWZ and Snow Runner sold very well on EGS.
As I already said, this one is the worst indicator we have, it's manual and it's not regularly updated, they can pretty much use the positions as they want in order to show certain games they want to show (like C2077 that magically appeared out of nowhere when CDPR gave report)

Am I saying they aren't selling on EGS? no, just that you shouldn't trust that top seller list that much as it's not an automated system.

Another point is that Valhalla sold extremely well, more than any other Ubisoft game. Because lots of these sales were at full price, the revenue may be much higher than the revenue of Ubisofts older games on Steam.
This one is also funny because I remember discussing this by saying "wording is easy but they aren't sharing any figures" and IIRC Valhalla was the best AC release on PC in the first few days or something like that, which is a veeeery specific way of announcing it, is it a lie? no, don't think so, is it an indicator of them not coming back because their platform is exploding in popularity? don't think so either.

Keep in mind that most of the companies are shifting their strategies in order to get all the users, EA did it, MS did it, Sony is testing their waters too, and you will see others in the near future that are doing the same (and once something gets announced I will try to expand this in a dedicated post) so, is Ubisoft different? no, once they can, contractually speaking, come back, they will just to expand their own service, as eonden said, the goal here is to get as many users as possible in your own services via accounts and subscriptions, so.... if EA was allowed to put their service on Steam, do you think Ubi won't consider this option too? it would be even a deeper conection between services than what they have on consoles, for example.

It's just a guess of course. Steam is the only one reporting concurrent users.
Yes and no, they report positions and size, however no specific numbers, which are tricky due to the highly dense areas of data, we can more or less see where's every game positioned at, but we won't know specifics, anyway, yeah, Valve sharing all the data they share makes it easier to track figures and games.
 

fantomena

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People need to stop worrying and concerning themselves over how Epic Store is performing. It's not doing anything good to worry about how it is performing. Also, companies loves to twist with words the numbers they show (MAU, players, users, monthly etc), including Valve and Epic, so keep that in mind regardless who is showing numbers.

I didn't see much of word twisting from Valve, but I remember Epic doing it last time, saying how they earned 680 million or something from EGS, but around 250 or somethin came from third-parties, the majority came from Fortnite (and Epics own games) and again people thought they earned 250 million when they forgot about how much they did lose in regards to free games, coupons, paid exclusives and their own cut being 12%.

However this year I don't have any doubt they performed better as they opened for more non-exclusives, but most people still seem to buy from Epic due to coupons so they lose money on every coupon and money on free games.

So again, stop worrying.
 
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Mor

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I don't think anyone is worried about anything, we are just debating about potential outcomes based on company strategies and future plans.

As I said last month in my EGS 2020 analysis (EGS thread BTW, there's a threadmark) the store itself will be just another alternative that will host the same games as other systems, more and more companies are seeing that releasing on both sides they can bank more and it's as simple as watching the evolution of exclusives against non-exclusive releases (again, don't remember the %, just check the analysis) and that will only increase more and more over time due to the fact that the "making all exclusive" strategy didn't work.

Has the store performed better this year? I would say I'm not so sure because I don't see much talk about it in general except on specific communities, so, at a general level has it reached a mainstream level? I don't think so, still, there was more room for improvement in terms of total revenue from EGS and if they don't share any info to minimice the impact of Valve's data (which at the moment is kind of the thing for PC focused media) that means the store itself would be at the same level as 2019, easily.

Companies are EXPANDING not getting smaller due to contracts, you will see A LOT of multi-store releases that will surprise you, and not only EGS but also GOG, which is algo getting bigger and more open-minded/mainstream when it comes to let games in.

User numbers using your accounts and systems is important and right now, due to the easy connections, it doesn't really matter which launcher you are using, they will be able to count you as an additional user for their databases.

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Take it to the EGS thread please
 

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Keep voting! :cho:

The more votes, the lower the risk of ties! Thanks to recent votes, we currently have:
  • only one tie in the top 10 (for ranks 7-8),
  • another tie in the top 20 (for ranks 18-19).

Don't feel like participating in MC's GOTY 2020 voting. My picks would get lost in the ether as I'd be voting for titles not many had played :lampblob:
Also, do not be like Tizoc: he thought his picks would get lost in limbo, and I can see in the temporary ranking that they are not lost at all!

Do not underestimate the value of your vote!
 
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