Same. I will get it in a few years. That reminds me, I have to finish Witcher 3 and the DLC!
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Who said it was personal? And thank you for caring so much about our depriving ourselves of those unique, unforgivable, citizen kane-y games, but at the same time, a few of us believe in doing the right thing. Those devs are eliciting to eschew the openness of the PC to take deals furthering the practice of exclusivity on PC, we are exerting our free will to never do business with them in response.
Plenty more fish in the sea, and as the last year has proved, these deals arguably come at a greater cost in PR and lost sales than they were worth. Devs were very much affected by many player's choice not to play their game, and not to buy it on Steam later, by the general rejection of the EGS and the tainting of their image following their anti-consumer choice.
Just expressing my point of view, not attacking you or anyone so chill. What you define as "the right thing" as some mystical objective truth I believe is aiming at the wrong targets. You're trying to hurt the same people who are put in the position of accepting those deals even knowing that'll lead to terrible PR by an industry in which the small ones, no matter how successful, are always at risk. Many devs said that, despite the bad PR, they would take the deal again anytime because that kind of financial stability is too good to pass on for an indie studio. Is it a good thing? Nope. Should I point my finger at the small guy or at the trillion dollar company trying to push that business model? I know my answer to that. You're free to keep doing your "the right thing", I'll keep doing mine.
The "lost sales" argument is based on what? Good games sold very well on Steam, bad games sold poorly. You have no way of knowing if things would have been any different if they launched on Steam first.
I am chill. You keep saying that it's personal to us, and all these things but we're good. I just took offense at your deciding for us that we were missing out on stuff. On to your points :
The right thing is not a mystical thing, you have no basis for declaring it so. There's very little in the way of cyberpunk, shades of grey uncertainty to these deals and situations. Money goes in, exclusivity goes out, openness suffers, balkanization risked. Those people being hurt by those boycotts only have themselves to blame. More often than not, they were actually indie darlings who were only in that position because of either kickstarter, Early Access or general consumer goodwill. Throwing them under the bus wasn't really a sound strategic move, one could say.
I also never told you what to do. I'm afraid that you are the one who came in and questioned our choices, telling us we were only hurting ourselves and trying to paint a very different description of reality regarding the effectiveness of such tactics.
Lost sales is actually very easy to prove. I think Hades for example sold more in a very short time period on Steam than for the entire length of its exclusivity period on the EGS. It follows that given time's inability to rewind, those sales are lost. There's also a point to be made for the fact that people won't ever buy that game because of that deal, and that their EGS launch marketing campaign could have earned them a way larger sales number should they have opted not to go for those deals.
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I know it's not my talk, but I since I keep reading this argument defending these deals, and implying gamers have to somehow still feel sorry for the poor companies doing these deals, and we should all understand and still be willing to support these companies, I have to say the video games industry really seems to operate in a different reality, one where most companies frequently feel they don't need customers, or that no matter what they do, people will keep buying their products.
It's sadly funny. In my line of work, even if I do things flawlessly there are clients that will trade my services because someone does it 5€ cheaper. I have to have some payment tolerance in terms of dates, or I'll lose customers. I have to accommodate them, or I'll be replaced.
Video games companies are the opposite: they try to dictate how, where and when people should be entitled to buy their products. And I'm supposed to still feel some sympathy for them, no matter what they pull. When, they provide a non-essential product/service that can be easily replaced by another.
If I go up to my clients, and antagonize them in my interactions, I'll get the boot.
Video games companies frequently actively antagonize and ridicule potential customers in their PR channels, and all's fine.
I really don't get it.
Video games companies are still companies. Things are though for them? Things are thought for everyone, even the people paying for their products.
So yeah, I have no doubt these deals are good in the short term.
But, like any business decision, there are consequences, good and bad. They get an influx of cash, but in the process they willingly risking burning a few bridges. It's their choice.
Will it pay off? Most companies from other sectors wouldn't take a deal that would potentially hurt their customer base, because they think about the long term.
That's probably why I work for a company that's in business for around 40 years, and I look at video games companies, and how many are around for as long? Yeah, most of them crash and burn quickly, because they are ran by programmers who spend their time on social media, and don't know jack shit about running a company.
So, please don't tell me they should get to have both: the cash, and the customer support.
They are no different than everyone else.
CD Projekt Red is working hard with their shitty, bigoted PR to destroy every ounce of hype I had for this game.
I don't even believe it's the actual devs that actively push the garbage messaging, it's just their weirdly consistent choice to engage with the worst elements among "gamers" for their PR machine. As with a lot of dumb choices in gaming, I assume it's (mostly) a middle management thing, and the actual creatives don't get a say.
It took one year for The Witcher 3 to be 50% off on Steam. If Cyberpunk has good reviews, I might not want to wait for a year to save 30 € and might cave in.
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Fanatical - Safe in Our World 1st Anniversary Charity Bundle
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For any fans of Tropico:
Is 6 worth it fi I already own 3, 4 and 5?
I'd read it was more of the same, so I don't feel like redeeming it from humble for one thing. While a fancier looking Tropico is interesting, I'd only get it if it introduced some more worthwhile gameplay mechanics thant its predecessors.
Is 6 worth it fi I already own 3, 4 and 5?
I'd read it was more of the same, so I don't feel like redeeming it from humble for one thing. While a fancier looking Tropico is interesting, I'd only get it if it introduced some more worthwhile gameplay mechanics thant its predecessors.
Gonner 2 is 7,77€ on Humble Store if you are a Choice subscriber.It took one year for The Witcher 3 to be 50% off on Steam. If Cyberpunk has good reviews, I might not want to wait for a year to save 30 € and might cave in.
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Fanatical - Safe in Our World 1st Anniversary Charity Bundle
Get some nice Steam games and help people from gaming industry in need for $4.99 / €5.09.
Gonner 2 is also on Game Pass if you want to take that route. You have to search for it in the Windows Store right now since the Game Pass app hasn't updated.
Lets take a look at some strategy games this time in "Discoveries in Discovery Queue"!
Craftlands Workshoppe
Workshop management game in a quirky fantasy land. Create and expand your store while (maybe) saving the world!
Kingdom Rush Vengeance
A sequel to one of the best tower defence games. The first one was pretty great and so is this one!
The Heroic Legend of Eagarlnia
A grand strategy game in a fantasy land. With a nice strategy part for combat too!
Mainframe Defenders
Create a robot squad to fight on turn based strategy, with tons of variation and sinergies.
Craftlands Workshoppe
Workshop management game in a quirky fantasy land. Create and expand your store while (maybe) saving the world!
Kingdom Rush Vengeance
A sequel to one of the best tower defence games. The first one was pretty great and so is this one!
The Heroic Legend of Eagarlnia
A grand strategy game in a fantasy land. With a nice strategy part for combat too!
Mainframe Defenders
Create a robot squad to fight on turn based strategy, with tons of variation and sinergies.
I'm actually getting a weird feeling about Cyberpunk. I wonder for instance what the prototype of hacking looks like now, whether it's been cut or not. There's a ton of unknown regarding that game's depth and complexity beside the DAO-like origin stories - which are awesome.
It's the one game I'll be really wary of pre-ordering, and probably will end up playing a couple months after release, just for the bugs to be ironed out. It seems to be coming in way too hot out of the oven.
It's the one game I'll be really wary of pre-ordering, and probably will end up playing a couple months after release, just for the bugs to be ironed out. It seems to be coming in way too hot out of the oven.
I pre-ordered but feel similarly to you regarding the actual state of the game.
Although, I'm going to play at release because I think that the game will be talked about by almost everyone at such a rate and volume that there will be no avoiding spoilers unless the Internet gets turned off.
Im serious, I loved what I played earlier this year so Im picking it up today.
Haha, you're probably right. In all likelihood, my waiting period will shrink to weeks instead of months
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I'm so SO SO happy right now!
I am not playing Witcher (1, not 3) until finishing all the books!
I actually ended slightly disappointed by the books. Witcher 3 feels narratively a lot more consistent quality-wise than Sapkowskis writing.I am not playing Witcher (1, not 3) until finishing all the books!
I feel the best Witcher writing is actually from the short stories, those are top-notch, especially the Sword of Destiny. Books could have used some better editing.
Not surprised NISA picked them up considering they handled Disaster Report 4. Kinda funny seeing NISA do a Xbox Series X|S title before a PS5 one though.
Only ever read The Last Wish and I quite enjoyed it. I've heard books after the first 3 short story collections have quality dips.
I really hope CDPR upped their game writing wise. While some parts of W3 are good, the main quest line was oof.
Playing where's Ciri got old super fast.
Playing where's Ciri got old super fast.
Late, by one or two days. So nothing major. I'll allow it
I am going to start Sword of Destiny soon. Just got it from a local library a few days ago. The Last Wish is really good so my expectation is rather high. Good to hear that it is good!
If I didn't already own Gris, Rime, and Town of Light, that Fanatical bundle would be pretty great.
I have one of these -- not sure what you mean by google shenanigans, but it runs stock android, so there's little bullshit with stupid tacked on apps and so on. I also use a Samsung tablet, and its UI is a slow, ugly nightmare IMO. Stock android forever.
Same here. I plan to wait for reviews and then some extra time for opinions to change. Like Outer Worlds -- that got so much acclaim, but it turned out over time that it actually was mediocre. The only thing about Cyberpunk is how much it's been discounted, both officially and on keyshops before it's even been released. If I can get it pretty discounted, I may not wait that long if initial reviews are good.
I have been playing Fallout 76 since yesterday. Heard all the shitty things at launch and also how did Bethesda somehow "fix" the game... Well well, it is not bad at all! One of my favorite things about Fallout is simply wandering all the different locations and discovering what exactly happened, and this game is basically about wandering. I will probably buy it. Let's see if my experience will change in the following next few days.
It costs more on Steam than on EGS.
The launch discount is not even the historical low on EGS. Will wait for a sale.
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Any suggestions on how to quickly, and safely, list steam cards (but only cards) on the community marketplace, for the currently lowest selling price - 0,01€ (like the quick sell option on Augmented Steam does)?
I have around... 1000 cards to list, and it's a painfully slow process, even with Augmented Steam).
I have around... 1000 cards to list, and it's a painfully slow process, even with Augmented Steam).
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Any suggestions on how to quickly, and safely, list steam cards (but only cards) on the community marketplace, for the currently lowest selling price - 0,01€ (like the quick sell option on Augmented Steam does)?
I have around... 1000 cards to list, and it's a painfully slow process, even with Augmented Steam).
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I find Steam Inventory Helper to be kinda buggy and use Steam Economy Enhancer instead.Any suggestions on how to quickly, and safely, list steam cards (but only cards) on the community marketplace, for the currently lowest selling price - 0,01€ (like the quick sell option on Augmented Steam does)?
I have around... 1000 cards to list, and it's a painfully slow process, even with Augmented Steam).
Any suggestions on how to quickly, and safely, list steam cards (but only cards) on the community marketplace, for the currently lowest selling price - 0,01€ (like the quick sell option on Augmented Steam does)?
I have around... 1000 cards to list, and it's a painfully slow process, even with Augmented Steam).
3rd box down, add a -0.01, though I would encourage you not to increase the race to the bottom and just list at the base price. I list foils by hand 0.01c under or auto accept a good offer, most foils will never sell for the crazy prices people ask.
Also 2nd'ed on Economy Enhancer rather than inverntory helper. The later was taken over by a skin betting group and is dodgy af.
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For those interested, WinGameStore has the game (Steam key) for a decent price:
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Survive and thrive in a post-apocalyptic future — resources are scarce but opportunity calls. Build the ultimate disaster proof colony, protect your colonists, and restore civilization.
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