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Ascheroth

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Oof the Play Next from Steam has some issues.
Obviously, it can't differentiate between games editions, so it's offering me Evoland, Borderlands, Titan Quest, Saints Row and Darksiders... all games I have already played before... that's an interesting fault of all those GOTY verions, "remasters" and the like.
Yeah, they are aware of that but decided to don't do anything about it for now since it affects a minority of games and the tool always suggests 30 titles anyway.
 

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Has anyone tried Secrets of Grindea or follow it's development? FunktionJCB Do you follow it's development? The game has been in development for a very long time,
Sorry, but not really. I have it in my wishlist, but I wouldn't be able to tell you how development is going. :)

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ISee

I've been having similar problems.
I'm located in Portugal, and on Steam the speeds have been crappy for months (at the time, it was a Portugal/Spain data centre).

I resorted to use France-Marseille as my option, and I was getting great speeds.
Recently, a Steam update changed settings back to a local download location (now, Portugal has its own), and speeds started being crappy again.
I changed back to France-Marseille, but now I'm getting similar download speeds as the local option. 🙁

I went from downloading stuff at 100MB/s, to 12-20, with sometimes things being faster at 50MB/s, but sometimes I'm getting sub-10MB/s speeds. :disappointed-face:
 

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Guess not anymore [UWSL]:grimacing-face:[/UWSL]

I guess they will be allowed to finish what they were doing prior the acquisition
Sumo Digital does have a good relationship with SEGA though, so I don't think the acquisition would rule out future projects.
At the very least the article mentions that Lab42 has brought with them their currently on-going 6 projects.
 
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INTI CREATES has been very active with the post-launch support of Dragon Marked For Death.
In just about 3 weeks, the game has received 9 patches on Steam. It's now on version 3.0.9.
The Switch version is on version 3.0.3.

A bit surprising, coming from a Japanese developer.
 

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This game is currently on sale, and it looks interesting:




It has a free soundtrack available, but it's not showing on the game's page:

 
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What I really love about Factorio is that I learn all the time. At first I thought my beginner factorio was great, but after a while, it's really uneffiecient, so I have to fix stuff.

I learn by seeing what I can do better, the game doesn't punish me for dumb mistakes.
 

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Non-gaming related post

There is an ongoing kickstarter for translating all Calvin and Hobbes comic strips to Swedish. As of today there is no complete collection of all strips translated in Sweden. In my younger days I have read some strips, not many though. I haven't read any Calvin and Hobbes strips in my adult life. So maybe this will be a chance to read them all


The collection will cost 1500 SEK during the kickstarter and will increase in price when available in stores. So for all Swedish fans, here is a chance to get this complete collection.
 

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In 2 months Nioh 2 sold over 1 million copies it would seem
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Will Valve add a separate tab for new and trending games that are free, so prologue type of stuff.

I'm just imagining things but just seeing 3 out of the 10 games on their being just that makes me think that's all that is now. So just seeing think made my think think it was the vast majority of the stuff on that list.
 
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1 million in 2 months seems really low for Nioh 2.

Don't get why they got in bed with Sony to do this stupid timed exclusivity bs.

They should have released it on PS4, Steam and Xbox day 1. Same with the first.
 
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I got Nioh on PS4 day 1 without knowing it would be released on PC and by the time the PC was out I had barely touched the game.

So this time I skipped the PS4 version and will get the PC version.
 

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Should be even care about the ‘value’ of games? I ask this because it is something that pops up every now and then. Nintendo games retain their ‘value’. Ubisoft games retain their ‘value’ for like 5 minutes after launch before they’re 60% off. Deep discounts and giving games away diminish ‘value’.
 

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Should be even care about the ‘value’ of games? I ask this because it is something that pops up every now and then. Nintendo games retain their ‘value’. Ubisoft games retain their ‘value’ for like 5 minutes after launch before they’re 60% off. Deep discounts and giving games away diminish ‘value’.
"Value" of a game, is what each of us give them.

What's of value to me, probably isn't of value to you.

I pay full price for shmups. For example, I paid almost 40€ for DARIUSBURST (and I bought all DLCs at full price on top of that).
Many people perceive the game as not being worth that amount, because of the genre, or the type of graphics.
Personally, I never regretted it for one second, and still consider it one of my favourite purchases on Steam.

At the same time, plenty of people pay 20€ for a couple of maps on Call of Duty (or whatever FPS that people currently pay), or sometimes hundreds of € for a weapon skin for CS:GO/Dota2/whatever.
I certainly wouldn't value any of those at their price, but it's not really on me to tell anyone how they should spend their money.

Yeah, it's true that pricing policies affects how some people perceive the value of a game.
Your examples of Nintendo and Ubisoft are great, since they are frequently mentioned.
But, if I enjoy my time with something, I rarely regret paying whatever price I paid.
 

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I got Nioh on PS4 day 1 without knowing it would be released on PC and by the time the PC was out I had barely touched the game.

So this time I skipped the PS4 version and will get the PC version.
At that time no one knew that it's going to PC.
Should be even care about the ‘value’ of games? I ask this because it is something that pops up every now and then. Nintendo games retain their ‘value’. Ubisoft games retain their ‘value’ for like 5 minutes after launch before they’re 60% off. Deep discounts and giving games away diminish ‘value’.
Unless it's a Nintendo game, unless you have FOMO, it always better to wait.
 
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I pay full price for shmups. For example, I paid almost 40€ for DARIUSBURST (and I bought all DLCs at full price on top of that).
Many people perceive the game as not being worth that amount, because of the genre, or the type of graphics.
I don't think the devaluation of games is generally a problem, but I worry about it in situations like this. With ultra-niche genres like shmups, it seems like developers should be charging a premium to offset how small their audience is. But if the race-to-the-bottom encourages that audience to wait for a deep discount... That doesn't seem good for the survival of niche stuff. Boss needs a third yacht, so stop making niche games.

The fact that Degica hasn't released a shmup since 2018 (and only one that year) makes it look like the genre isn't worth pursuing for sufficiently large publishers. I'm still sad that we never saw more CAVE ports from them (and M2's ShotTriggers will never come to Steam :loudly-crying-face:).
 

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Man, that Doom Eternal Denuvo Anti-Cheat update sure is something.... I don't get Bethesda, at all... That being said, having played CS:GO for thousands of hours and wanting to become better without playing against losers with cheats, I did pay for 3rd party Matchmaking, 128tick servers and this kind of anti-cheat from Faceit (not ESEA which funnily enough had a rogue employee who mined crypto on user PCs Gaming co ESEA hit by $1m fine for hidden Bitcoin mining enslaver ).

But to tie this to the singleplayer portion of your game is just truly moronic. I really hope we get to see even more options when downloading games, separated SP and MP, language options etc as a standard in next gen - at least from bigger budget games.

I would actually be in favor of buying singleplayer games with this kind of stupid crap in them and just download a cracked version to skip the bullshit. Seems like you've got the best version from doing that, but still supporting the devs.
 

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Terraria Journey's End is releasing tomorrow, they already posted the changelog and it's ridiculuous.

 

NarohDethan

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"Value" of a game, is what each of us give them.

What's of value to me, probably isn't of value to you.

I pay full price for shmups. For example, I paid almost 40€ for DARIUSBURST (and I bought all DLCs at full price on top of that).
Many people perceive the game as not being worth that amount, because of the genre, or the type of graphics.
Personally, I never regretted it for one second, and still consider it one of my favourite purchases on Steam.

At the same time, plenty of people pay 20€ for a couple of maps on Call of Duty (or whatever FPS that people currently pay), or sometimes hundreds of € for a weapon skin for CS:GO/Dota2/whatever.
I certainly wouldn't value any of those at their price, but it's not really on me to tell anyone how they should spend their money.

Yeah, it's true that pricing policies affects how some people perceive the value of a game.
Your examples of Nintendo and Ubisoft are great, since they are frequently mentioned.
But, if I enjoy my time with something, I rarely regret paying whatever price I paid.
I would support more devs if I weren’t poor 😤
 

Swenhir

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Man, that Doom Eternal Denuvo Anti-Cheat update sure is something.... I don't get Bethesda, at all... That being said, having played CS:GO for thousands of hours and wanting to become better without playing against losers with cheats, I did pay for 3rd party Matchmaking, 128tick servers and this kind of anti-cheat from Faceit (not ESEA which funnily enough had a rogue employee who mined crypto on user PCs Gaming co ESEA hit by $1m fine for hidden Bitcoin mining enslaver ).

But to tie this to the singleplayer portion of your game is just truly moronic. I really hope we get to see even more options when downloading games, separated SP and MP, language options etc as a standard in next gen - at least from bigger budget games.

I would actually be in favor of buying singleplayer games with this kind of stupid crap in them and just download a cracked version to skip the bullshit. Seems like you've got the best version from doing that, but still supporting the devs.
The argument seems to be that it's in preparation for SP invasions which, you know, everyone loves and opts-ins for months after release. The joy of being griefed by others is after all why you buy a SP game and of course Souls game aren't ever wrong and... Yeah anyway.

I think there should be an option and offline mode for both the hypothetical invasions and the installation of this crap driver. The fact it has to be said at all is crazy, but apparently as soon as the gaming industry sees one company get away with something, they all go "Wait we could do that too?". It's pretty shameful.
 

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I don't think the devaluation of games is generally a problem, but I worry about it in situations like this. With ultra-niche genres like shmups, it seems like developers should be charging a premium to offset how small their audience is. But if the race-to-the-bottom encourages that audience to wait for a deep discount... That doesn't seem good for the survival of niche stuff. Boss needs a third yacht, so stop making niche games.

The fact that Degica hasn't released a shmup since 2018 (and only one that year) makes it look like the genre isn't worth pursuing for sufficiently large publishers. I'm still sad that we never saw more CAVE ports from them (and M2's ShotTriggers will never come to Steam :loudly-crying-face:).
Sadly, I think every shmup release on PC is indeed worth cherishing, because it doesn't appear to be worth releasing the "big" titles in the genre, or arcade games in general, on PC.

I always thought that Japanese companies having that idea that people just use MAME, and won't buy their games on PC as ridiculous, but sadly, I'm starting to give them some reason.

The genre is a "niche" genre. No doubt about it. So yeah, sales will always be small.
What they usually do to counter that is having higher prices (so they need to sell fewer copies), and stuff like limited editions (usually with some collector's DLC or limited revision of the game), and fans of the genre pay good money for them. It's a genre were there's few people paying for it, but they pay good money, and they're a loyal bunch.

But, on PC, that's a bit of a problem.
Most "non-fans" are unwilling to pay a decent amount of money for a shmup. Everyone went berserk about the price of DARIUSBURST (which is ridiculous, considering the amount of content included; this isn't a 30 minute game, one of the modes has hundreds of maps, the other thousands of variations, and the soundtrack alone has hundreds of tracks from all entries in the series), despite that being the price most people pay for a retail shmup on a console (or even less).

But then, when price isn't a problem, I find it that the "hardcore" fans of the genre are too tied to consoles (especially physical copies of the games), or arcade PCB's, and basically, PC is for MAME, and no matter the price you try to sell your games, they will always rationalize not paying for a game on PC.

I invite you to check this thread on a shmup forum (especially page 3), about the recent wave of Psikyo games being released on Steam (which are very affordable, and worthwhile releases):


That should give you an idea.
That is the crowd that should be most likely to buy these games.

People ask for shmups on PC/Steam.
But then, when they launch, instead of buying them, many wait, at best, for a heavy sale.
Since we are already talking about an expected small number of sales, having a big portion of these sales at a small price definitely won't have Japanese labels running to place their games on PC.

I mean, look at this bundle:


That price is for 3 shmups and 1 DLC.
On consoles, people who like the genre pay that, or more, for a single game. Yet, on PC, you can't get a lot of people to drop that much for that whole pack, which is a bit disappointing, as someone who would like to see more games in the genre available on PC.

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Degica dropped shmups, and turned to Visual Novels instead.
With no disrespect for the people who buy the games, but Degica can release a game with some semi-naked anime chicks, charge 40-50€ for it, charge on top of that € for artbooks/soundtracks/DLCs (or even, split the games in chapters) and many people won't blink, and they surely are getting healthy sales, since they fully went for it.

It's anecdotal, but I invite you to check the number of reviews the last 2 Cave ports have on their pages:



And now, check the number of reviews on something like:

Or, since we are talking about Degica, this game launched in the same year as the last CAVE ports.
Check the number of reviews (and take into considering that the game costs a lot more than the CAVE games):



Or, since CAVE is a popular shmup developer, and their titles are popular examples of the genre, let's check some random popular Visual Novels, and see the number of reviews they have:



So yeah, it's a genre with a much smaller audience.
And, on PC, much on that smaller audience is unwilling to pay a decent amount of money for these games.

It's disappointing, really. :disappointed-face:
 
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New Chrono shop games


There was a fifth game also, but it's already sold out. It was Seven: Enhanced Edition

Additionally, the Chrono Shop seems going to be shut down

Starting today, like right now, we’re celebrating Chrono Coins by adding 5, rather than the normal 2, great games to the Coin Shop, but that’s not all. Two weeks from now, on May 29th, we’ll be adding 5 more awesome games, giving you over 30 titles to choose from before the Coin Shop closes one month later on June 29th. At that point, coin collection, unspent coins, and the shop itself will be removed from Chrono.gg.
If you have bunch of unspent coins, you better spend it before the shop closes. Me myself I have over 90k unspent coins
 

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Booooo. I have nearly 90k as well. I guess I'm getting Fictorum.

Ending the coin thing is bad. I'm never going to check Chrono.gg ever again. They had a way to get me to check the thing every day without ever spending coins.
 
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Booooo. I have nearly 90k as well. I guess I'm getting Fictorum.

Ending the coin thing is bad. I'm never going to check Chrono.gg ever again. They had a way to get me to check the thing every day without ever spending coins.
Occasionally they have interesting games. Although in it's life time I only bought two games with real money
 
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Nabs

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Occasionally they have interesting games. Although in it's life time I only bought two games with real money
Yeah, same. I bought Supraland and Alwa's Awakening. Their deals aren't really enticing for someone who pays attention to sales across multiple stores.



rip

Speaking of Supraland. It's pretty cheap! It's also 7.99 on Humble with a Choice discount.


It's great. Play the demo, get hooked, buy it.
 
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